Mancini 'arrogant and vain'

[SWP's back]

Mancini sacked by City is huge story, the story that media will write about.

So what you want to do is give them some soft info and have the story that protects your interests without being too harsh rather than leave it in a wild.

So what should club do now, leave it in a wild or leave itself withthe image it got from Mancini's "I don't know nothing, I've gave them all and they're stabbing me in the back" portrait or do a bit of work to change that a bit.

I know what I'd do.

Indeed. Mancini says "they stabbed me in the back" and we address that by saying "no, he was a ****, and here's some juicy titbits to prove that" further stabbing him in the back and thus, inadvertently giving credence to Mancini's stance.

It's all so very playground.

Or it is simply explaining that it wasn't solely to do with finishing 2nd (and making a rod for our own backs). I am glad we are briefing off the record if it is indeed the truth.

 

[MSP]

My completely unreserved apologies then. The people talking about burning their City shirts and stuff are... well... hyperbolic is the nicest way to put it.

It's ok, nothing to make apology for ;)

 

[Anonymous]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

There are a lot of confused people trying to focus their anger, and struggling for an outlet. Our media team, Brian MArwood, Txiki Begiristain, the media, the players...it's going everywhere at the moment. We've got all this indignation about the "way it's been handled", about "the timing" and now "the leaks".

It's human nature. People are upset. The penny appears to be dropping in some quarters but it will take a bit longer accross the board.

I'm disappointed Mancini has gone. His last chat to the press (MEN?) where he publicly attacked Vicky Kloss was staggeringly unprofessional and hugely disappointing - particularly she was supposedly stood there at the time.

Marwood is clearly Marmite on here. Txiki & Ferran are very welcome additions to the team given their experience and connections. Khaldoun is a very good chairman. Vicky Kloss clearly has a (or is following a pre-ordained) strategy for dealing with the press.

My beef in all of that is (1) to my eyes, the strategy we have for dealing doesn't appear to be bearing too many positive fruits and (2) the way the last 5 days has played out in the media has felt pretty unedifying.

 

[TGR]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely over the moon he has gone. I was just hoping there was not too much muck that flies around after.

Hey as others have said, come next week they maybe on about 'Arry' taking another bung or a full newpaper on the success & greatness of England & RAGs greatest ever Centre Half the camel gobbed "Wio"

This isn't too much muck though surely? Isn't it just the club giving those supporters who can't get their head around the sacking a more realistic view on why the decision had to be made rather than the sanitised official statement which was never going to do anything to help those people understand the decision.

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

 

[MSP]

Mancini sacked by City is huge story, the story that media will write about.

So what you want to do is give them some soft info and have the story that protects your interests without being too harsh rather than leave it in a wild.

So what should club do now, leave it in a wild or leave itself withthe image it got from Mancini's "I don't know nothing, I've gave them all and they're stabbing me in the back" portrait or do a bit of work to change that a bit.

I know what I'd do.

Indeed. Mancini says "they stabbed me in the back" and we address that by saying "no, he was a ****, and here's some juicy titbits to prove that" further stabbing him in the back and thus, inadvertently giving credence to Mancini's stance.

It's all so very playground.

Or it is simply explaining that it wasn't solely to do with finishing 2nd (and making a rod for our own backs). I am glad we are briefing off the record if it is indeed the truth.

Yeah, might be that too and probably is a nice part of it-

 

[nomorethaksintimes]

My completely unreserved apologies then. The people talking about burning their City shirts and stuff are... well... hyperbolic is the nicest way to put it.

The worst way to put it for them would be 'holistic' of course ;)

 

[Anonymous]

Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely over the moon he has gone. I was just hoping there was not too much muck that flies around after.

Hey as others have said, come next week they maybe on about 'Arry' taking another bung or a full newpaper on the success & greatness of England & RAGs greatest ever Centre Half the camel gobbed "Wio"

This isn't too much muck though surely? Isn't it just the club giving those supporters who can't get their head around the sacking a more realistic view on why the decision had to be made rather than the sanitised official statement which was never going to do anything to help those people understand the decision.

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

Spot on and said with all the brevity I can never manage!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

There are a lot of confused people trying to focus their anger, and struggling for an outlet. Our media team, Brian MArwood, Txiki Begiristain, the media, the players...it's going everywhere at the moment. We've got all this indignation about the "way it's been handled", about "the timing" and now "the leaks".

It's human nature. People are upset. The penny appears to be dropping in some quarters but it will take a bit longer accross the board.

I'm disappointed Mancini has gone. His last chat to the press (MEN?) where he publicly attacked Vicky Kloss was staggeringly unprofessional and hugely disappointing - particularly she was supposedly stood there at the time.

Marwood is clearly Marmite on here. Txiki & Ferran are very welcome additions to the team given their experience and connections. Khaldoun is a very good chairman. Vicky Kloss clearly has a (or is following a pre-ordained) strategy for dealing with the press.

My beef in all of that is (1) to my eyes, the strategy we have for dealing doesn't appear to be bearing too many positive fruits and (2) the way the last 5 days has played out in the media has felt pretty unedifying.

I can totally understand your beef, strongbow. I'm not trying to say it's all gone swimmingly because it hasn't. The best way would have been a nice clean break next Monday, perhaps with a "mutual" agreement announced.

But both parties have played hardball, which I guess is what happens when big sums of money are involved.

 

[BobKowalski]

Ah you see its stories like that about Ade that make me miss Mancini. Ade needed fucking off. Mancini can fuck off as many Ades as he likes. Khaldoon not backing Mancini at that point would have been a disaster and also would have meant no trophies and no title.

And it has nothing to do with Ferran seeing through Mancini. You just couldn't have both trying to run City. For three years City chose Mancini. Now they have chosen Ferran who I suspect will be just as adept at fucking people off as Mancini was. Its an alpha dog thing.

But that's where you again spectacularly miss the point. The point of the story isn't about Ade. The point of the story is about the way he went and the reaction of the other players. These are the turds RM has been depositing on his own doorstep for years and which have finally drowned him. If a player sees his mate treated like that, he thinks "what happens when I'm out of favour?"

And I don't think even you really believe the ridiculous concept that "This town wasn't big enough for both Txiki and Bob". That's what rejected candidates say when they fail interviews. Have you heard and seen nothing over the last few days? Have you not watched our games this season?

He went because he wasn't good enough. Full stop.

No I don't miss the point. I just have a different point to you. I look at the way Ade and others went. I look at the past three seasons. I look at losing 1 PL game at home in 2 seasons. I see an FA Cup. I see a PL title. I see great football being played and no not all the time no team does. I see us (hopefully) hitting 81 points this season and that considered a failure. I see us cemented in the top 3 teams in the PL. In short I like what I see. I want to see more. If removing Mancini for a new approach with Ferran and Txiki and its just as successful, if not more so, then happy fucking days.

The truth is I don't have to justify the sacking of Mancini because of his treatment of players or kit men or whoever. That Mancini is a total c**t to everyone was pretty self evident. I posted on here in his first few months that he would create a 'hostile working environment' (my exact words) and that only the strongest would survive. I gave it a max of 3 years before everyone got fed up with it. My hope with Mancini was that in the time he would teach us how to win as a squad and as a club. Which he did and then some.

For that I will always express my appreciation for his time here. That he made life miserable for people while he was here well boo fucking hoo what do I care? That it cost him his job in the end well again boo fucking hoo. But its as much about politics at the top then anything else and in our Brave New World we will all speak Spanish and as long as it works that's fine by me.

Salud

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Don't get me wrong I'm absolutely over the moon he has gone. I was just hoping there was not too much muck that flies around after.

Hey as others have said, come next week they maybe on about 'Arry' taking another bung or a full newpaper on the success & greatness of England & RAGs greatest ever Centre Half the camel gobbed "Wio"

This isn't too much muck though surely? Isn't it just the club giving those supporters who can't get their head around the sacking a more realistic view on why the decision had to be made rather than the sanitised official statement which was never going to do anything to help those people understand the decision.

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

I'm pretty sure the club will move on now. They've leaked the real reasons behind the decision, in one go, 24 hours after the sacking, job done. They couldn't have realisically put the real reasons in the official statement but I think the club's supporters had a right to know why the decision had been made. I don't think it smacks of panic at all personally.