Mancini blames Hart for defeat

[NipHolmes]

We have been winning less and scrape wins. We have Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, Mario, Silva, Nasri and Yaya yet struggle to beat teams. It's not liek we have Arsenals frontline is it or Spurs single couple of strikers, we have a frontline other teams would love to have yet we don't make teh most of them and nor are we looking like we will get the most out them.

Maybe the players need to take some responsibility for that don't you think?

We lose to teams we should be beating with the team we have. Champions who scraped a draw at West Ham and should've lost and a team that lost and drew with Ajax who were whipping boys.

Like every side in football, we drop points when we didn't expect to.

It wouldn't be funny if so many were blind and chastised others for worrying about a club we all love. It's predictable to have the York away mob blindly arguing points just for sake of it even though counter arguements are usually stronger and more concise than opposing views.

Ah, York away it was only a matter of time. And LOL that one side is just blindly arguing points for the sake of it, but your side is making strong concise arguments.

I want Mancini to succeed but for goodness sakes people need to stop blindly protecting and hating on others. We are below par, we look like we need a lift to boost form. If our form doesn't improve then, well the writings on the wall.

People are offering an opinion that's different to yours. The only person that seems to have a problem with someone offering a different opinion is you (blindly arguing for the sake of it).

I challenge you to pick me up on any of my posts and prove incorrect. The points tally you made was laughable to be frank.

I never meant you as part of the York away mob, I noticed some had written that and I knew who they were on about. One poster with a three letter name continues to preach his'her biggoted views and tells people that they are wrong for thinking otherwise.

Fact is Mancini has been awful in Europe for us and before us.
He pushes out players and saves some and in particular one.
He tries to get players to fit a formation rather than fit a formation around his players. We have a frighteningly good team yet we play deep and defensive when we have arguably the best frontline in the world.
Fact is we ahve lost £30mill in revenue from CL in two seasons and we have poor co-ef. Things don't look like changing.
We are weak in being narrow, we are lacking partnerships up front. As a manager you'd change formation and you'd stick with pairings and work at consistency. With consistency comes understanding, to work at each others strengths and help with their weaknesses.

I'm not asking for Mancini out but I a make a point for those who do and I also want to make it clear that Pep and Jose are steps up from him. I want what's best for my/our club and that is getting the best staff, on and off the pitch. Never mistake this fella.

 

[WNRH]

Contrast Mourinho. In all his time at Chelsea, not once did I hear him saying that his players were anything other than magnificent. No matter what the result or the performance, in public he always praised them. And in return, they would walk through fire for him.

Until the point they revolted and got him sacked.

Eh?

The same players who were crying when they found out he was leaving, as did Mourinho.

They loved him there and they would love to have him back.

The players got him sacked at Chelsea.

 

[thedogsbollocks]

for me there is a big difference in you or i thinking certain players are culpable for our defeat and airing it.We are paying fans it is our prerogative to come on here and have a public moan and calm down etc.

As for Mancini he is the manager of the team,i see it as a collective thing.if they play shit then 11 players and the manager stand together and fall together,if you know what i mean. I am not saying he is not able to criticize players in his office etc away from public view,i would expect him too.I don't like this singling players out for public humiliation thing he does,i mean come on ffs Nasri half a man can be misinterpreted as a real insult for obvious reasons,Ballotelli is in the paper every other day with Roberto's words of wisdom

I don't see what is gained making public your feeling except alienating yourself from your own players,a me and them thing.Surely that is hardly going to be productive long term.

I suspect a lot of them think he is a cnut the way he does this.how many of our side would go above and beyond for Roberto on the pitch.We complain that some players look like they are going through the motions,could be a connection between our performances and how they feel about him personally.Only my opinion.

 

[NipHolmes]

Until the point they revolted and got him sacked.

Terry was the one that got him sacked, read Makeleles book.

He fell out with Jose and Terry went bitching to Roman. Looking back don't you think Roman regrets it? Paying compo to imo the worlds best manager who then wins treble at Inter. Meanwhile his captain is caught having affairs, blowing fortunes gambling and caught up in racist slurs. Terry is at fault for most manager sackings and undermines authority. A law to himself. Luckily for him he's a great defender, if he was say Luiz he'd be hung from the rafters.

Was a great defender

He was still good last year considering his injuries. He's been the best defender in the league over the last decade imho.

On the wane and on the way out to USA I am lead to believe down the line, he remortgaged his house due to gambling debts and has to play on big money till he's 36-38 apparently. I'm talking tens of millions in gambling debt, he will retire pennyless and will be doing tours of Stamford Bridge until the day his peepers close for good, genuinely couldn;t have happened to a nice fella, wouldn't you agree?<br /><br />-- Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:49 pm --<br /><br />

Until the point they revolted and got him sacked.

Eh?

The same players who were crying when they found out he was leaving, as did Mourinho.

They loved him there and they would love to have him back.

The players got him sacked at Chelsea.

Did you read my Makelele post? In his book he clearly claimed it was Terry.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I think only a few managers get a certain 'grace' when it comes to their obvious deficiencies, the belief, that talent will out, etc.

They tend to be man-managers, which of course, is not Mancini's style.

However, look at the issues Mourinho also has at Real, with the likes of Ramos and Casillas.

I would say big players always hold the power, essentially, because they have a bigger monetary value.

We may not be run like Chelsea, but there are striking similarities for me between the two squads, what has gone on in previous years.

Big players want their voices heard and can undermine the manager in the simplest of ways, either by not playing to the max, or leaking peripheral crap from the dressing room.

I'd defo say this is happening and have already said as much.

As for the leaks, I'd be inclined to assume Journo's have the shit ladel out in the big shit pot stirring as best as they can.

The media don't have to look too far or think too hard, to let the headlines and stories write themselves, that's the problem.

It's cherry on the cake, template stuff. Just change the name for City, rather than Chelsea, minus the supposed blasphemy to be challenging United on their own doorstep.

In the space of a week we offered up little resistance in Dortmund, we're beaten for the first time in two years at home to our biggest rival from the left foot of our biggest summer transfer target.

Add in the pantomime villain of Balotelli, Mancini's highlighting the mistakes of individual players, it's not agenda as such, just easy and predictable copy.

 

[NipHolmes]

Found this;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/30/chelsea-john-terry-jose-mourinho" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... e-mourinho</a>

 

[cibaman]

I agree with the comments that Mancini shouldn't single out players for criticism in the media. And he probably can be too combative.

But I also think we've needed a combative manager. We don't have a small squad, the manager cannot be everyone's friend telling them all how great they are and promising to pick them.

Likewise we don't have a nucleus of players who grew up at the club and are in awe of the manager and are mates with many of the other playeurs.

Like it or not we have a large group of players with big egos who joined City for the money and the chance to win medals. Its inevitable there's an element of "dog eat dog" about the place, reflected in the training ground fights, the fall outs, strikes etc. At the current time a manager like Mancini, who couldnt care less whether the players like him, is probably better able to bring that group of individuals together than a "man manager".

 

[moomba]

Found this;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/30/chelsea-john-terry-jose-mourinho" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... e-mourinho</a>

Player power should never be accepted.

I asked him why and he explained a lot of players had complained about him, notably John Terry.

Same group of players have complained about every manager since, and none of them seem to carry the can for it.

 

[Anonymous]

Add in the pantomime villain of Balotelli, Mancini's highlighting the mistakes of individual players, it's not agenda as such, just easy and predictable copy.

It's just not that difficult to right these stories when you've got a manager who is constantly publicly bashing his players. Really it confuses me as to why people get angry at the papers.

 

[NipHolmes]

I think only a few managers get a certain 'grace' when it comes to their obvious deficiencies, the belief, that talent will out, etc.

They tend to be man-managers, which of course, is not Mancini's style.

However, look at the issues Mourinho also has at Real, with the likes of Ramos and Casillas.

I would say big players always hold the power, essentially, because they have a bigger monetary value.

We may not be run like Chelsea, but there are striking similarities for me between the two squads, what has gone on in previous years.

Big players want their voices heard and can undermine the manager in the simplest of ways, either by not playing to the max, or leaking peripheral crap from the dressing room.

I'd defo say this is happening and have already said as much.

As for the leaks, I'd be inclined to assume Journo's have the shit ladel out in the big shit pot stirring as best as they can.

The media don't have to look too far or think too hard, to let the headlines and stories write themselves, that's the problem.

It's cherry on the cake, template stuff. Just change the name for City, rather than Chelsea, minus the supposed blasphemy to be challenging United on their own doorstep.

In the space of a week we offered up little resistance in Dortmund, we're beaten for the first time in two years at home to our biggest rival from the left foot of our biggest summer transfer target.

Add in the pantomime villain of Balotelli, Mancini's highlighting the mistakes of individual players, it's not agenda as such, just easy and predictable copy.

Yup, exactly how I see it.

The way to silence it is on the pitch. Under par performances will only make them louder.

-- Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:01 pm --

Found this;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/30/chelsea-john-terry-jose-mourinho" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... e-mourinho</a>

Player power should never be accepted.

I asked him why and he explained a lot of players had complained about him, notably John Terry.

Same group of players have complained about every manager since, and none of them seem to carry the can for it.

They should've rid themselves of Terry. I reckon if they knew know what they did then they would do so.

The same players have won things regardless. Even under the fool that was Avram Grant they pushed for title and semi-finalled a CL. Still the same drills as Jose, same tactics and same formation near enough.

We don't have a John Terry here, we don't have an Ashley Cole either. Our closest is Nasri who according to Raymond Domanech (spelling) is a poisonous little shit.

Edit - Semi final was actual final, Terry crying when he missed peno, how could I forget! Only shame is who won as consequence.