Mancini Breaking News Part 5 (Club Statement Update page 67)

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Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

neoblue said:
cleavers said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Firstly, the initial leak does not come out if City, they are playing catch-up in the team hotel on the morning of a Cup Final.
While much of what you've said is fine, this is where I don't understand it, because the word was all over the net by 8pm (ish) on Friday evening. This was well before it hit the media big time, now I don't know if City were aware of it, but they certainly should have been, because social media at City is supposedly taken very seriously, and it was from here that the news came about a couple of big punts on Pellegrini that had shortened his odds at a couple of bookies. I'm sure someone monitors social media, or had we taken our eye off the ball because it was the night before the cup final ? I'm sure it could have been better contained at this point, but hindsight is as always a wonderful thing.
I was under the impression it had leaked from the Spanish media. Not a lot city could do about that.
My understanding on Friday evening was that it was leaked to a few that put huge (5 figures was mentioned) bets on, resulting in the odds on him shortening to as little as 1/10 in a couple of hours (he was already favourite). This was then picked up by one newspaper here, then talksport, and eventually the media widely. However it was twitter that was heavily involved at the start.
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

oakiecokie said:
Shaelumstash said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Try and put yourself in Vicky Kloss' stiletto's for a second.

Firstly, the initial leak does not come out if City, they are playing catch-up in the team hotel on the morning of a Cup Final.

In addition, are we then expected to lie to the wider media, the fans and Mancini, by making a rod for our own backs prior to kick off, knowing it will come back to haunt us?

Mancini has been a dead man walking for months, but I'm certain the club wanted to conclude it in the right manner at the end of the season.

Kloss walks in to Mancini already holding court in a small ante room.

How embarrassed would you feel to be then brought into the equation.

Subsequently, why would you then even want to go out on a limb for someone who publicly called you a cnut?

It comes to something when the journos present felt the need to step in and defend the person who is supposed to keep them in check.

There have been many times this season when Mancini goes off message and it turns into a bigger story that it should have been.

His Monaco revelations, United being lucky, Nasri/wanting to punch him.

You can't interject when he is the instigator, you only undermine him by pulling him up.

The job is to pull up journos not the manager.

What an absolute load of bollocks.

If Vicky Kloss' job is "Director of communication" then she is responsible for the clubs dealings with the press. It is her direct responsibility to manage the press and what is written about us, in the best interests of the club.

It was without doubt in the best interests of the club for these reports of Mancini's sacking to be squashed before the cup final, to allow everyone to focus fully on the job at hand - winning the trophy.

She decided to remain silent, and has left the manager as a dead man walking. It has had a huge affect on the mood of Mancini himself, his staff, the players, and the fans.

Even if she know he's getting sacked, it would have been very easy to come out with a press release on the morning of the game saying "Roberto Mancini remains the manager of Manchester City, and reports that he has been sacked are entirely false. Roberto and the club are completely focused on winning our 3rd major trophy under his stewardship." No lying there.

Slergie told the pres last week he "Wouldn't be walking away in the forseeable future" only to announce his retirement 3 days later. The press haven't mentioned it, because who gives a fuck. He did what was best for the club - keeping them focused on winning football matches. Fuck it if the press feel aggrieved.

And regards to it being "all a bit rushed, they didn't have time on cup final morning" well I'm afraid that's the nature of PR in 2013. With 24 hour news and social media, you have to react on a minute by minute basis now. I knew about these reports the night before the game, and even started a thread saying they should come out first thing in the morning with a press release. Fuck all happened and the rest is history.

She's come from working for the police, got the job at City under an old regime, "because no one else was doing it". She's completely out of her depth. The way the press report about this club is appalling, and she's responsible for managing that. We need someone with experience of working for a big multinational, she's not good enough.

To coin a phrase "WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF BOLLOCKS"
Have you seen a copy of her contract stipulating her role etc.
You really hate her for some unknown reason.Perhaps your hatred is related to more of a Police nature than anything else.
I take it that letter hasn`t been forthcoming from you to her or an e-mail ??
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I think you've misunderstood the post about sending the club a letter. Someone suggested that was a good way of informing the club of my opinion that they should back the manager on Saturday morning. I replied back saying thanks for the advice, but I don't think the letter would arrive in time. I was taking the piss out of them, and seemingly, you.

I have got no hatred for Vicky Kloss, I don't know her to hate her. What I hate is that the whole day of the FA Cup final was overshadowed because this wasn't dealt with. The fans mood and staff and players performance was affected because of the press, and it could have been so easily dealt with.

I have not seen her contract, as I'm sure you haven't. Whoever is ultimately responsible for the club not backing the manager on Saturday morning is at fault. I assume as Director of Comminications she is ultimately responsible. Perhaps she was overruled, perhaps it was the Sheik's ultimate decision to say nothing. Whoever ultimately made the decision was completely wrong, and the performance on Saturday proved that.
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

pudge said:
Blue Haze said:
pudge said:
If the club didn't wish to make a rod for their own back then maybe they shouldn't have publicly courted another manager during the season.

To be honest, outside of this forum I have not seen us bludgeoned for sacking Mancini.

The City hierarchy seem unconcerned. The loss to Wigan blunted any significant criticism of the move outside of City fans.

I keep reading on this forum that we've embarrassed ourselves, that we've handled it badly, but it seems the only thing we've done wrong is allow Mancini to stay and make embarrassing statements to the press. If the club had known he would use the press conferences as forum to bash club employees, we might have shown him the door after the Wigan loss.
But with people saying the club couldn't have made a statement if the rumors were true because then they'd be seen as liars obviously, the way to avoid that is to not allow for said rumors to start by publicly pursuing another manager whilst you already have one.
Granted. If we had decided to replace him, should have sacked him there and then. Unless the man we wanted was in a job and couldn't be released mid-season
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

OB1 said:
BillyShears said:
blueinsa said:
Wouldn't be a kick in the balls would it.

One thing's for sure. After six months of moral outrage at the notion that alternatives to Mancini should be discussed - I think we're on safe territory from here on forwards chatting about the relative merits of De Boer v Pellegrini etc.

Cards on table: de Boer would be my choice ahead of all but Klopp and Mou but neither of those are happening.

I can see the pros and cons in both. MP has proven he can do it in Europe, but is much older than FdB who I guess potentially is a legacy builder, but is far less proven. I think both men would have the characteristics to be successful at City and they both have obvious links to Txiki. Wasn't there a story that Johann Cruyff had even recommended FdB to Txiki for the City job?
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

BillyShears said:
Shaelumstash said:
What bollocks am I talking? I know she is not the press officer. I assume the press officer reports to her, so she is still ultimately responsible. Mancini seems to think she had the authority to come out and defend him, but seemingly you know better than him? Strange. Maybe you can find an 80s pop Youtube video to explain how that works?

I think perhaps you do need instruction on how PR works in 2013. To suggest there "wasn't time because they were all hurrying round in the team hotel on the morning of the Cup Final" shows a staggering naivety of the modern digital media world.

It would have taken seconds to do a 2 line backing of Mancini on the clubs official Twitter / website. That would then be reported as news on SSN, all the sports radio, online papers, social media etc within minutes. Dramatically altering the mood of fans, players and staff.

Even if Mancini is getting sacked, which seems certain, the fact the club didn't come out back the manager on Saturday was a monumental mistake.

So, as opposed to bragging how ITK you are, or how great Vicky Kloss is, actually address the points I've made if you think they are bollocks.

You think the club should've backed the manager publicly on Saturday and then sacked him a week later, and you're accusing others of talking bollocks. Hahahaha.
Did you see Slurgie's quotes in the press last week that he wasn't leaving for a very long time yet? You still laughing?
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

pudge said:
Blue Haze said:
pudge said:
If the club didn't wish to make a rod for their own back then maybe they shouldn't have publicly courted another manager during the season.

To be honest, outside of this forum I have not seen us bludgeoned for sacking Mancini.

The City hierarchy seem unconcerned. The loss to Wigan blunted any significant criticism of the move outside of City fans.

I keep reading on this forum that we've embarrassed ourselves, that we've handled it badly, but it seems the only thing we've done wrong is allow Mancini to stay and make embarrassing statements to the press. If the club had known he would use the press conferences as forum to bash club employees, we might have shown him the door after the Wigan loss.
But with people saying the club couldn't have made a statement if the rumors were true because then they'd be seen as liars obviously, the way to avoid that is to not allow for said rumors to start by publicly pursuing another manager whilst you already have one.

We've been awash in Bobby out rumors since at least February, and for all practical purposes, since he took over the position from Hughes.
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

samharris said:
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
samharris said:
We had a cup final to play..they should have said sommat..even if they were talking bollox..
Everyone was talking about mancini being sacked at wembley,because the club didnt dismiss it..

Well said SH...

I really feel this had an impact on the players and Bob..people wonder why the performance was so lacklustre...


H E L L O !!


'Waves' :)
 
Re: Mancini Breaking News Part 4

Shaelumstash said:
oakiecokie said:
Shaelumstash said:
What an absolute load of bollocks.

If Vicky Kloss' job is "Director of communication" then she is responsible for the clubs dealings with the press. It is her direct responsibility to manage the press and what is written about us, in the best interests of the club.

It was without doubt in the best interests of the club for these reports of Mancini's sacking to be squashed before the cup final, to allow everyone to focus fully on the job at hand - winning the trophy.

She decided to remain silent, and has left the manager as a dead man walking. It has had a huge affect on the mood of Mancini himself, his staff, the players, and the fans.

Even if she know he's getting sacked, it would have been very easy to come out with a press release on the morning of the game saying "Roberto Mancini remains the manager of Manchester City, and reports that he has been sacked are entirely false. Roberto and the club are completely focused on winning our 3rd major trophy under his stewardship." No lying there.

Slergie told the pres last week he "Wouldn't be walking away in the forseeable future" only to announce his retirement 3 days later. The press haven't mentioned it, because who gives a fuck. He did what was best for the club - keeping them focused on winning football matches. Fuck it if the press feel aggrieved.

And regards to it being "all a bit rushed, they didn't have time on cup final morning" well I'm afraid that's the nature of PR in 2013. With 24 hour news and social media, you have to react on a minute by minute basis now. I knew about these reports the night before the game, and even started a thread saying they should come out first thing in the morning with a press release. Fuck all happened and the rest is history.

She's come from working for the police, got the job at City under an old regime, "because no one else was doing it". She's completely out of her depth. The way the press report about this club is appalling, and she's responsible for managing that. We need someone with experience of working for a big multinational, she's not good enough.

To coin a phrase "WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF BOLLOCKS"
Have you seen a copy of her contract stipulating her role etc.
You really hate her for some unknown reason.Perhaps your hatred is related to more of a Police nature than anything else.
I take it that letter hasn`t been forthcoming from you to her or an e-mail ??
Bbbbbbbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I think you've misunderstood the post about sending the club a letter. Someone suggested that was a good way of informing the club of my opinion that they should back the manager on Saturday morning. I replied back saying thanks for the advice, but I don't think the letter would arrive in time. I was taking the piss out of them, and seemingly, you.

I have got no hatred for Vicky Kloss, I don't know her to hate her. What I hate is that the whole day of the FA Cup final was overshadowed because this wasn't dealt with. The fans mood and staff and players performance was affected because of the press, and it could have been so easily dealt with.

I have not seen her contract, as I'm sure you haven't. Whoever is ultimately responsible for the club not backing the manager on Saturday morning is at fault. I assume as Director of Comminications she is ultimately responsible. Perhaps she was overruled, perhaps it was the Sheik's ultimate decision to say nothing. Whoever ultimately made the decision was completely wrong, and the performance on Saturday proved that.
We have no way of linking the performance to the rumours

Far more likely to have upset the players was the dropping of Pants
 
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