Mancini (cont)

[NipHolmes]

PSG didn't come out of nowhere like we arguably did.

In fact, there is no "arguably" about it

Don't make me laugh. PSG were almost anonymous in France until the investment. Granted they won the odd trophy but they hadn't won a league in 15 years or so before being invested into. Lyon and Marseille have had that league sewn up for years until recently.

First chance in Europe and they have a new squad as I pointed out and yet they have a chance to progress into the semi finals tonight.

Edit, don't mistake the point of my post. My point is that this collective experience stuff is nonsense, PSG prove it. They have turned over a whole squad, they are still bedding in players right now like Moura and yet they are leading a poor league and also in the QF of CL on their first attempt.

"won the odd trophy" and a 15 year absence of a league title compared to our history.... Yeah don't make ME laugh.

Even given our poor performances in the CL, I'd have fancied our chances in their group.

2 completely different teams and you're using one against the other? If we'd have played the same teams at each stage I could see your reasoning...

That's an almost impossible scenario to go with though. Teams in groups etc. Fact of the matter is they are a newly successful team after a spell of falling off the radar. They returned to the big stage with a newly formed squad with little bedding in time and yet they are still in Europe. They have had it easier than us but that shouldn't take away from their success. Malaga sold their best player to Arsenal, also their striker force is actually one of our cast offs. Yet they only went out last night. Naploi last season beat us to KO stages and yet they have just two players who'd have got into our team in Lavezzi and Cavani, it was their first time too in what was a difficult group for them too.

As I have said and keep saying. History is repeating itself. We are Inter all over again.

 

[NipHolmes]

You said one of the kindest ever. That's just pure ignorance.


Or stated purely to belittle Mancini's achievements.

1)
City v Watford.
Stoke v City.
City v Leeds.
City v Barnsley.

2)
It's got fuck all to do with Mancini and everything to do with the truth. Bobby has absolutely nothing to do with our run. Nothing. I am merely putting context into the debate.

Chelsea beat Southampton, Brentford and beat the rags over 2 legs. They've had it a bit harder wouldn't you say?

United had West Ham, Fulham and Chelsea.

 

[Rolee]

ECHO

 

[kaz7]

You said one of the kindest ever. That's just pure ignorance.


Or stated purely to belittle Mancini's achievements.

glad it wasnt just me thinking that

 

[moomba]

You said one of the kindest ever. That's just pure ignorance.


Or stated purely to belittle Mancini's achievements.

1)
City v Watford.
Stoke v City.
City v Leeds.
City v Barnsley.

2)
It's got fuck all to do with Mancini and everything to do with the truth. Bobby has absolutely nothing to do with our run. Nothing. I am merely putting context into the debate.

Chelsea beat Southampton, Brentford and beat the rags over 2 legs. They've had it a bit harder wouldn't you say?

United had West Ham, Fulham and Chelsea.

So anything easier than what Chelsea or the rags got this year makes it one of the kindest draws ever does it?

I find it funny how you pretty much write off as insignificant the fact that other teams in the champions league had much easier draws than us, yet when it comes to the FA cup you use hyperbole to talk down what could be one of our best achievements of the past four decades.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Don't make me laugh. PSG were almost anonymous in France until the investment. Granted they won the odd trophy but they hadn't won a league in 15 years or so before being invested into. Lyon and Marseille have had that league sewn up for years until recently.

First chance in Europe and they have a new squad as I pointed out and yet they have a chance to progress into the semi finals tonight.

Edit, don't mistake the point of my post. My point is that this collective experience stuff is nonsense, PSG prove it. They have turned over a whole squad, they are still bedding in players right now like Moura and yet they are leading a poor league and also in the QF of CL on their first attempt.

apples and pears - porto kiev and Zagreb v Dortmund real and ajax - very comparable groups

Of course. We had the hardest group I have ever come across but that still doesn't excuse the Ajax performances.

My point is look at history. Mancini didn't impress in Europe whilst at Inter even though he was winning titles and cups. they ha dthe balls to make an unpopular decision and it paid off. What I am trying to say is, if we do move Bobby on then we aren't Chelsea all of a sudden. We simply are looking to do better (in what is my opinion, the most important tournament in football outside the world cup) in the Champions League.

Change should be embraced, not feared. Change for positive reasons and long term success and suitability, it is important, it's evolution. Bobby has kicked our squad kicking and screaming into a poor outfit into a title winning one. He's had some huge backing from HRH Mansour to help along the process and we have arrived. However. That's where the cross-roads arrive. Do we stay with Mancini and hope he breaks a bad habit (poor showings in CL) and hope he improves his man-management and also gets to grips with being under DOF system or do we simply employee someone that will meet the stated criterias?

All I will say is if this was my club and I spent all this money I would want to at least put Ajax to the sword. I'd be more than disppointed coming stone last. I think you will agree with this too.

Put it this way. FFP is here, it will be complied with and we need to max out revenues. Doing well in Europe as well as winning trophies domestically is a MUST for raising revenue. Companies and glory hunters side with winning teams, hence why they pay tens of millions to be sponsors of this, that and the other. Finishing below Ajax is not good enough, absolutely no doubt about it.

-- Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:27 pm --

An FA Cup run which is one of the kindest ever will help to save the season.

One of the kindest ever? Give me a break.

Tell me who we've faced then? Other than this semi final we've had it incredibly easy.

sjoke were unbeaten at home (or maybe had lost just once?) when we played them in the cup; every other team we have despatched comfortably without conceding a goal. The manager who you like to pillory at every opportunity has taken the competition seriously and put out good sides and we have got to the semi final - well done Bobby I say. I have to say Nipholmes that you are utterly obsessional and really quite sad, in my opinion

 

[NipHolmes]

You said one of the kindest ever. That's just pure ignorance.


Or stated purely to belittle Mancini's achievements.

glad it wasnt just me thinking that

Think what you want, I couldn't care a toss.

It's there for all to see.

We have beaten 1 premier league side who've been utterly atrocious this season and we've beaten 3 championship teams.

If we win the cup I will be jubliant but lets have some context here. It shouldn't be the plaster of the wound that was a terrible exit to CC, a stone last finish in CL behind Ajax and defence of league seemingly over by mid feb.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Don't make me laugh. PSG were almost anonymous in France until the investment. Granted they won the odd trophy but they hadn't won a league in 15 years or so before being invested into. Lyon and Marseille have had that league sewn up for years until recently.

First chance in Europe and they have a new squad as I pointed out and yet they have a chance to progress into the semi finals tonight.

Edit, don't mistake the point of my post. My point is that this collective experience stuff is nonsense, PSG prove it. They have turned over a whole squad, they are still bedding in players right now like Moura and yet they are leading a poor league and also in the QF of CL on their first attempt.

apples and pears - porto kiev and Zagreb v Dortmund real and ajax - very comparable groups

Of course. We had the hardest group I have ever come across but that still doesn't excuse the Ajax performances.

My point is look at history. Mancini didn't impress in Europe whilst at Inter even though he was winning titles and cups. they ha dthe balls to make an unpopular decision and it paid off. What I am trying to say is, if we do move Bobby on then we aren't Chelsea all of a sudden. We simply are looking to do better (in what is my opinion, the most important tournament in football outside the world cup) in the Champions League.

Change should be embraced, not feared. Change for positive reasons and long term success and suitability, it is important, it's evolution. Bobby has kicked our squad kicking and screaming into a poor outfit into a title winning one. He's had some huge backing from HRH Mansour to help along the process and we have arrived. However. That's where the cross-roads arrive. Do we stay with Mancini and hope he breaks a bad habit (poor showings in CL) and hope he improves his man-management and also gets to grips with being under DOF system or do we simply employee someone that will meet the stated criterias?

All I will say is if this was my club and I spent all this money I would want to at least put Ajax to the sword. I'd be more than disppointed coming stone last. I think you will agree with this too.

Put it this way. FFP is here, it will be complied with and we need to max out revenues. Doing well in Europe as well as winning trophies domestically is a MUST for raising revenue. Companies and glory hunters side with winning teams, hence why they pay tens of millions to be sponsors of this, that and the other. Finishing below Ajax is not good enough, absolutely no doubt about it.

-- Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:27 pm --

An FA Cup run which is one of the kindest ever will help to save the season.

One of the kindest ever? Give me a break.

Tell me who we've faced then? Other than this semi final we've had it incredibly easy.

Stoke away who weren't in free-fall at the time but in mid-table.

 

[chesterbells]

Sport Bild: Mourinho will join Chelsea this summer & aims to bring Khedira with him

Should both be coming here instead

 

[NipHolmes]

Just read the posts above. I give up. It's finished for me talking about Mancini. It's never objective and rationale debate unless Skashion posts it seems.

Not being nasty or anything but many people suffer with likkle citeh syndrome and fail to see the bigger picture imo. Inter sack Mancini because he didn't cut the mustard. Mancini is lucky here because we have won fuck all for ages and he uses this as a trump card imo.

Anyway, lets hope the FA Cup is lifted and lets hope Mancini cracks Europe next season if he's here.

CTID.