Mancini on Bellers at the Press Conference

[twinkletoes]

Interesting, half of the people slagging Mancini off in this thread were also slagging Mancini off in the thread that criticised him for being too diplomatic, not two days ago.

it's satisfying to have such a good 'man manager' at the helm

someone who doesn't hold grudges

How is this any different from Hughes moving out TBH, Jo and Elano?

Every manager will have problems with some players, and they will have to sell them to restore their command. Bellamy, Ireland and Nedum all mouthed off in the press and slagged him off, so he gets rid at the first opportunity. They aren't as important to the club as they seemed to have thought. Tevez on the other hand has criticised Mancini's methods in the past, and was recently quoted as saying how much he admires and respects Mancini and how he was wrong in the past.

Isn't this an example of him putting an arm around some when they need it, and getting rid of players that he doesn't think are making acceptable contributions?

Mancini claimed in his press conference that he had no problem with Cregg (Bellamy), stating that he continued playing him throughout last season.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Read the OP here and see if that alters your opinion at all. <a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=185662&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=185662&start=0</a>

It's a very good analysis of Mancini's tactics but you can't honestly tell me that Bellamy is leaving because he doesn't fit into that system, and Santa Cruz and Jo are better options up front? And again, you can't say Robinho and an uproven Silva would be more effective than our player of the season in an attacking midfield position? Mancini has a problem with Bellamy and he's said things in the past about Ireland which give the impression he doesn't like him.

To be honest I was surprised that Bellamy was not in the 25 as his performances last season would indicate he deserved to be. However, not wanting Bellamy or Ireland, buying 2 attacking full backs, bringing back Robinho and going way over board for Milner, all fits in to that analysis of Mancini's Inter tactics.

I think Bellamy as a wide player in a standard 4-3-3 is a great player, but I don't think he's the type of player who can float around and open things up like Silva or Robinho. I agree Santa Cruz and Jo aren't good enough for the 25, but I don't think they will be in it once we complete on Balotelli. Possibly one will stay as we need some height and strength up front.

I genuinely don't think Bellamy was dropped because of his performances last year, or even for his attitude. I think he simply doesn't fit in with how we are going to play and his ridiculous outburst this week has made it all the more easy to drop him from the 25. Again with Ireland there is no natural position for him in that system. I don't think talent wise there is much between him and Milner, but Milner is definitely more suited to that system.

 

[Dhenry]

Interesting, half of the people slagging Mancini off in this thread were also slagging Mancini off in the thread that criticised him for being too diplomatic, not two days ago.



How is this any different from Hughes moving out TBH, Jo and Elano?

Every manager will have problems with some players, and they will have to sell them to restore their command. Bellamy, Ireland and Nedum all mouthed off in the press and slagged him off, so he gets rid at the first opportunity. They aren't as important to the club as they seemed to have thought. Tevez on the other hand has criticised Mancini's methods in the past, and was recently quoted as saying how much he admires and respects Mancini and how he was wrong in the past.

Isn't this an example of him putting an arm around some when they need it, and getting rid of players that he doesn't think are making acceptable contributions?

Mancini claimed in his press conference that he had no problem with Cregg (Bellamy), stating that he continued playing him throughout last season.

As I tried to come across in my earlier post, Mancini didn't have a problem with Bellamy, Ireland or Tevez. He said, essentially, don't sulk around moaning about the good old days - have faith in me and my methods and it will repay you.

Tevez accepted it - he's happy and settled now (Mancini did say he can go if he's so unhappy)

Ireland perhaps tried to accept it, but couldn't (he's made positive comments about Mancini)

Bellamy, well I guess he just really does miss Hughes et al. But that's not Mancini having a problem with him. It's him having a problem with Mancini.

 

[twinkletoes]

Mancini claimed in his press conference that he had no problem with Cregg (Bellamy), stating that he continued playing him throughout last season.

As I tried to come across in my earlier post, Mancini didn't have a problem with Bellamy, Ireland or Tevez. He said, essentially, don't sulk around moaning about the good old days - have faith in me and my methods and it will repay you.

Tevez accepted it - he's happy and settled now (Mancini did say he can go if he's so unhappy)

Ireland perhaps tried to accept it, but couldn't (he's made positive comments about Mancini)

Bellamy, well I guess he just really does miss Hughes et al. But that's not Mancini having a problem with him. It's him having a problem with Mancini.

I accept your analysis regarding Tevez and Ireland but Bellamy's attitude on the field shows his commitment to the manager.

I think that his attitude towards other players may have been the deal breaker on this one.

 

[scorer]

When they asked him about Bellers I expected the usual diplomatic crap, but Mancini was pretty blunt and it was clear to see that he's well fucked off with Bellamy.

He said: "I have to choose 25. The rest must find another team. Craig is out of the list."

I can't remember what else he said word for word but he basically said that what Bellamy said about not speaking for so many months was false. I was just a bit taken back at how blunt Mancini was in the interview to be honest

I was impressed with his honesty and frankness. He appeared to be as hard as nails. A typical Iron fist in a velvet glove. Perfection if you ask me.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

At the end of the day no player is bigger than the club. All 3 had the chance to knuckle down, play well, train well, keep out the press and do their bit to help the club progress. None of them have done that. Bellamy had a very good half season followed by sporadic good performances in the remaining half with more and more incidents instigated by him, ultimately he doesn't want to keep his head down, act maturely and get on with it, so he will go, because Mancini has had enough of him. Ireland had a good half season(we were awful away the season he played well so I can't say he had a great whole season) but really only starred when Robinho and/or Elano were on form, as soon as Elano went he flopped, as soon as Robbie went off form he dissappeared and hasn't recovered his form at all, so really he has become dispensable, and his refusal to play for the national team and improve through that also counts against him. As for Nedum, well he has never been good enough and slagged Mancini off in public, so goodbye.

What is evident to me is that the one's slagging off are either renowned for it or haven't been managed by a top manager with his own enforced ideas. Bellamy has moved around constantly and had the easy deal, Ireland has been managed by a couldn't care less Sven and an inept Mark Hughes and Onouha has never been anywhere near a level worthy of requiring a top manager. Tevez and Ade have learnt and understood what it's about and got on with it, the ones that haven't will go, and it's for the best for the club, and ultimately proves that none of them are deserving of the praise and adulation some sections of the board inundate them with, because ultimately if they were good enough and mature enough, they wouldn't be leaving.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

At the end of the day no player is bigger than the club. All 3 had the chance to knuckle down, play well, train well, keep out the press and do their bit to help the club progress. None of them have done that. Bellamy had a very good half season followed by sporadic good performances in the remaining half with more and more incidents instigated by him, ultimately he doesn't want to keep his head down, act maturely and get on with it, so he will go, because Mancini has had enough of him. Ireland had a good half season(we were awful away the season he played well so I can't say he had a great whole season) but really only starred when Robinho and/or Elano were on form, as soon as Elano went he flopped, as soon as Robbie went off form he dissappeared and hasn't recovered his form at all, so really he has become dispensable, and his refusal to play for the national team and improve through that also counts against him. As for Nedum, well he has never been good enough and slagged Mancini off in public, so goodbye.

What is evident to me is that the one's slagging off are either renowned for it or haven't been managed by a top manager with his own enforced ideas. Bellamy has moved around constantly and had the easy deal, Ireland has been managed by a couldn't care less Sven and an inept Mark Hughes and Onouha has never been anywhere near a level worthy of requiring a top manager. Tevez and Ade have learnt and understood what it's about and got on with it, the ones that haven't will go, and it's for the best for the club, and ultimately proves that none of them are deserving of the praise and adulation some sections of the board inundate them with, because ultimately if they were good enough and mature enough, they wouldn't be leaving.

At last some common sense spoken on here. Spot on assessment of both Bellamy and Ireland.

Neither good enough for a top 4 team

 

[twinkletoes]

At the end of the day no player is bigger than the club. All 3 had the chance to knuckle down, play well, train well, keep out the press and do their bit to help the club progress. None of them have done that. Bellamy had a very good half season followed by sporadic good performances in the remaining half with more and more incidents instigated by him, ultimately he doesn't want to keep his head down, act maturely and get on with it, so he will go, because Mancini has had enough of him. Ireland had a good half season(we were awful away the season he played well so I can't say he had a great whole season) but really only starred when Robinho and/or Elano were on form, as soon as Elano went he flopped, as soon as Robbie went off form he dissappeared and hasn't recovered his form at all, so really he has become dispensable, and his refusal to play for the national team and improve through that also counts against him. As for Nedum, well he has never been good enough and slagged Mancini off in public, so goodbye.

What is evident to me is that the one's slagging off are either renowned for it or haven't been managed by a top manager with his own enforced ideas. Bellamy has moved around constantly and had the easy deal, Ireland has been managed by a couldn't care less Sven and an inept Mark Hughes and Onouha has never been anywhere near a level worthy of requiring a top manager. Tevez and Ade have learnt and understood what it's about and got on with it, the ones that haven't will go, and it's for the best for the club, and ultimately proves that none of them are deserving of the praise and adulation some sections of the board inundate them with, because ultimately if they were good enough and mature enough, they wouldn't be leaving.

At last some common sense spoken on here. Spot on assessment of both Bellamy and Ireland.


Neither good enough for a top 4 team

Harry Rednapp will disagree with that and so will I.

I don't think Milner is good enough for a top 4 team.

There is no way he is worth 15 million more than Ireland either.

 

[Revolver]

At the end of the day no player is bigger than the club. All 3 had the chance to knuckle down, play well, train well, keep out the press and do their bit to help the club progress. None of them have done that. Bellamy had a very good half season followed by sporadic good performances in the remaining half with more and more incidents instigated by him, ultimately he doesn't want to keep his head down, act maturely and get on with it, so he will go, because Mancini has had enough of him. Ireland had a good half season(we were awful away the season he played well so I can't say he had a great whole season) but really only starred when Robinho and/or Elano were on form, as soon as Elano went he flopped, as soon as Robbie went off form he dissappeared and hasn't recovered his form at all, so really he has become dispensable, and his refusal to play for the national team and improve through that also counts against him. As for Nedum, well he has never been good enough and slagged Mancini off in public, so goodbye.

What is evident to me is that the one's slagging off are either renowned for it or haven't been managed by a top manager with his own enforced ideas. Bellamy has moved around constantly and had the easy deal, Ireland has been managed by a couldn't care less Sven and an inept Mark Hughes and Onouha has never been anywhere near a level worthy of requiring a top manager. Tevez and Ade have learnt and understood what it's about and got on with it, the ones that haven't will go, and it's for the best for the club, and ultimately proves that none of them are deserving of the praise and adulation some sections of the board inundate them with, because ultimately if they were good enough and mature enough, they wouldn't be leaving.

Apart from the bit about Hughes being inept I agree with a lot of what is being said. Moriniho or Ferguson wouldn't stomach their players mouting off about them. The manager has to be in charge.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

At last some common sense spoken on here. Spot on assessment of both Bellamy and Ireland.


Neither good enough for a top 4 team

Harry Rednapp will disagree with that and so will I.

I don't think Milner is good enough for a top 4 team.

There is no way he is worth 15 million more than Ireland either.

you have to trust the manager's judgement. Was Toure worth £14m or Lescott £24m. Also I'd say Ireland was worth no more than £7m at a push, and Milner is far more consistant, plus we have to pay extra for players anyway.<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:00 pm --<br /><br />

At the end of the day no player is bigger than the club. All 3 had the chance to knuckle down, play well, train well, keep out the press and do their bit to help the club progress. None of them have done that. Bellamy had a very good half season followed by sporadic good performances in the remaining half with more and more incidents instigated by him, ultimately he doesn't want to keep his head down, act maturely and get on with it, so he will go, because Mancini has had enough of him. Ireland had a good half season(we were awful away the season he played well so I can't say he had a great whole season) but really only starred when Robinho and/or Elano were on form, as soon as Elano went he flopped, as soon as Robbie went off form he dissappeared and hasn't recovered his form at all, so really he has become dispensable, and his refusal to play for the national team and improve through that also counts against him. As for Nedum, well he has never been good enough and slagged Mancini off in public, so goodbye.

What is evident to me is that the one's slagging off are either renowned for it or haven't been managed by a top manager with his own enforced ideas. Bellamy has moved around constantly and had the easy deal, Ireland has been managed by a couldn't care less Sven and an inept Mark Hughes and Onouha has never been anywhere near a level worthy of requiring a top manager. Tevez and Ade have learnt and understood what it's about and got on with it, the ones that haven't will go, and it's for the best for the club, and ultimately proves that none of them are deserving of the praise and adulation some sections of the board inundate them with, because ultimately if they were good enough and mature enough, they wouldn't be leaving.

Apart from the bit about Hughes being inept I agree with a lot of what is being said. Moriniho or Ferguson wouldn't stomach their players mouting off about them. The manager has to be in charge.

Hughes was inept for where we wanted to be imo.