Mancini out? (merged)

[Josh Blue]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

No we won't be and no we weren't.

 

[NipHolmes]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

Elitist.

I have no time for his posts or any york away spoilt insults.

What the fucks happened to adult discussion?

 

[Phil1]

Fair point, the Spanish contingent dont like him-but he doesnt like Spain though either.When it comes to man management hes streets ahead of Mancini,ask any Porto,Chelsea or Inter player what they thought of him after he left.

This guy will get that extra 20% our of our squad that is so obviously lacking,its that 20% extra that wins you pots-when a manager like Ferguson holds him in high regard then im afraid we should be intertested.

He's also having problems with the Portuguese contingent as well now.

Look I think Mourinho is a great manager and could do wonders at City, but we should always keep in mind that he has his flaws as well; otherwise, we're just setting ourselves up for even more drama if he does come.

Of course fella, every new manager is a gamble, but its a bigger gamble in giving Mancini another 2 seasons to see if he can go the next step.

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

In fairness I think you could argue that of the players mentioned who he inherited, all bar Tevez (who was considered world class anyway) have improved under Mancini.
Of those who you say are questionable I think Dzeko is unfair - whatever you think of him as a footballer he has delivered in the most important aspect which is goals. Rodwell has plenty of time to flourish, Nasri still has it in him to be an important squad player as his ball retention is up there as the best in our team, granted there is plenty of room for improvement, and Balotelli - well there's no shortage of opinion either way on this one, myself, I would remember the part he played in the good times and for all his faults his part was always a vital one.
His transfer record hasn't been an unadulterated success nor has it been a disaster. Like every other manager in the business I think it's fair to say its been hit and miss.
I don't think it's a good enough or strong enough reason to want him out.

 

[moomba]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

Whilst Dzeko,Kolorov,Balotelli,Savic,Johnson and Nasri clearly havent?

£185m nett spent. We've got good value for that.

 

[taconinja]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

Whilst Dzeko,Kolorov,Balotelli,Savic,Johnson and Nasri clearly havent?

Savic wasn't ready. Johnson like most English players is vastly overrated. Nasri is misused and that's the manager's fault. Kolarov has done fine. Dzeko's not worked out as well, but the only real issue I have with him are his hardcore fans making idiots of themselves here.

Here's the bottom line for me...

Mourinho is better. We should hire him. We have several major issues in our squad of players and neither you nor anyone else here has mentioned some of the main culprits to be honest. If we bring in Mourinho or keep Mancini or bring in someone else, we have to upgrade our squad and poor buys like last summer will undo us.

 

[flb]

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

The above is the basis on which i dont believe he is the answer for us.

Whatever your opinions on Hughes,he left us with the foundations of a Championship winning team,Mancini was lucky enough to inherit that.

The real succesful signings were 'no brainers' much like the ones he wanted and was denied last summer...... Hardly the stuff of managerial genius.

The amount of money he has wasted on mediocracy is mindblowing,especially considering the value that has gone elsewhere during his reign.

I really wouldnt want him spending any more money and handing contracts to inferior players,especially ones that do not even compliment or add balance to the team,something that has become a trademark.

If hes allowed to spend anymore on players that simply are not good enough we will never compete at the very top, the baffling thing is hes bought players that dont even seem to fit the system he likes to play-Dzeko must be banging his head against the wall in the way hes supposed to perform under his wingless wonder system.

 

[taconinja]

Look at the Bayern team that beat us and then look at the Bayern team that we beat. We'd have finished with 3 less points had they fielded their strongest team in the second fixture. Europe is blatantly Mancini's achilles’ heel and I don't see anything anywhere to suggest things will improve. Who will reel out the excuses if we don't qualify next season?

I bet we do qualify. Mancini is constantly learning, this season was just a major fuck up.

I bet a 6 month ban for me to a 3 month ban for you that we will qualify?

So how come we got even less points in europe than last year?

Because our midfield and defense is overrated somewhat and has been found out coupled with Mancini not getting the best out of the squad this season.

 

[sergiokun]

Winning the FA cup is not enough haha! If we do win it (which obviously everyone wants) Mancini will not lose his job. We would be the laughing stock of football and rightfully so. You don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do.

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

Let them laugh at us Dave do we really give a f*ck what they think? It will be a disaster if united do the double but if we finish 2nd and win the cup then it’s a great season. It’s all about winning something each year and we can still do that. I am Mancini in all the way and think he deserves one more crack at champions league after what he has done for city. Let them laugh Europe is hard in fact very hard and I don’t think losing to Madrid, Dortmund and Ajax is embarrassing. If Mancini stays he must get us out of group stage no matter what next season

 

[taconinja]

Where do we draw the line with Mancini, give him another season to buy mediocre players and filling our squad with players who dont perform for him.

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry,Zabaleta and Tevez were all players he inherited-arguably the back bone of the side that won him the title.

Aguero,Yaya,Silva,Nastasic are the players that he bought that are good enough and fit in to his style of play.

Whilst Savic,Nasri,Dzeko,Balotelli,Kolorov,Sinclair,Garcia and arguably Rodwell are extremely queastionable signings to say the least.

A big big gamble for me if we keep Mancini-one we cant afford to take.

The above is the basis on which i dont believe he is the answer for us.

Whatever your opinions on Hughes,he left us with the foundations of a Championship winning team,Mancini was lucky enough to inherit that.

The real succesful signings were 'no brainers' much like the ones he wanted and was denied last summer...... Hardly the stuff of managerial genius.

The amount of money he has wasted on mediocracy is mindblowing,especially considering the value that has gone elsewhere during his reign.

I really wouldnt want him spending any more money and handing contracts to inferior players,especially ones that do not even compliment or add balance to the team,something that has become a trademark.

If hes allowed to spend anymore on players that simply are not good enough we will never compete at the very top, the baffling thing is hes bought players that dont even seem to fit the system he likes to play-Dzeko must be banging his head against the wall in the way hes supposed to perform under his wingless wonder system.

No amount of wingers will make up for Dzeko's wretched first touch.

 

[flb]

As stated, I think we should go for Mourinho if he's available. One thing I will not do, though, is hold this past summer's signings against Mancini. He had his targets, and frankly he's been proven right. We went into bargain mode in a sense and we see how that's worked out.

At the end of day fella hes sanctioned the signings of all the players that have come to city under his tenure.

True I suppose but blame should be apportioned properly for that fiasco. Our squad had and continues to have several very real limitations, which are highlighted in European competition. As much as we love our players, some of them just aren't good enough. If we're going to be ruthless about the manager and hold him accountable for not advancing, we must do the same with our players; otherwise, it's rank hypocrisy.

Youve answered your own question fella, its his players that are not performing, you can bet yourself a pound to a pinch of shit that Dzeko will be banging them in for Dortmund if he goes there-a player he bought that clearly doesnt fit his system of play.

 

[taconinja]

At the end of day fella hes sanctioned the signings of all the players that have come to city under his tenure.

True I suppose but blame should be apportioned properly for that fiasco. Our squad had and continues to have several very real limitations, which are highlighted in European competition. As much as we love our players, some of them just aren't good enough. If we're going to be ruthless about the manager and hold him accountable for not advancing, we must do the same with our players; otherwise, it's rank hypocrisy.

Youve answered your own question fella, its his players that are not performing, you can bet yourself a pound to a pinch of shit that Dzeko will be banging them in for Dortmund if he goes there-a player he bought that clearly doesnt fit his system of play.

I'll be blunt. I don't care. I've seen enough of Dzeko standing like a statue instead of pressing when we lose possession to last a lifetime. Mourinho would strangle him in his sleep and I wouldn't blame him for a second.

Now as a Mourinho advocate and not a Mancini-all-the-way person, I'm still going to insist on putting the blame for this summer's signings where it should be. You won't change my mind on it, and frankly bringing up Dzeko is not ever going to help in that regard.

 

[AustinBlue]

Hart,Richards,Lescott,Kompany,De Jong,Barry and Zabaleta are also players who have improved immensely under Mancini's man management. Did you forget that?

First, Zabaleta and Kompany would have improved under Mussolini or Basil Fawlty. Barry, Lescott and De Jong all lost value after joining City. I give Mancini credit for giving Hart the reins when he did over Given, but Hart's real leap forward happened at Birmingham. Richards has always been an immense talent, but has not played enough games to really show if he's improved or not from being the player that Chelsea wanted to buy off us. For every player that you can argue has improved, there are multiples who didn't and many of those cost more than 10 million quid - Boateng, Kolarov, Silva, Sinclair, Nasri, Adam Johnson, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, Savic, Kolo, Adebayor, Santa Cruz...

I don't see much evidence that Mancini gets more out of players. Certainly not that the outside world values a player more after they have been at City. I see lots of evidence that we have bought stars and hope to get 80% out of what they gave to their last team.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The irony in those three sentences is unbelievable.

If we do win- Mancini will not lose his job, you say.

And then you say 'you don't know what the owners are thinking so don't pretend you do'

Do you KNOW he won't lose his job, then?

We'll be the laughing stock of football if Man United win the fucking double, I can tell you that. We were the laughing stock of football in the Champions League too.

Let them laugh at us Dave do we really give a f*ck what they think? It will be a disaster if united do the double but if we finish 2nd and win the cup then it’s a great season. It’s all about winning something each year and we can still do that. I am Mancini in all the way and think he deserves one more crack at champions league after what he has done for city. Let them laugh Europe is hard in fact very hard and I don’t think losing to Madrid, Dortmund and Ajax is embarrassing. If Mancini stays he must get us out of group stage no matter what next season

I'm just responding to a point I found rather ludicrous - that we'd be the "laughing stock" of football if we won the cup and sacked Mancini. Ignoring the elephant in the room that we are a long way from winning the cup at the moment, I'm just pointing out that we are already on the way to becoming the moneyed underachievers in the eyes of the public.

Truth is that noone would be laughing, least of all alex Ferguson, if Mourinho came here. We'd be taken a lot more seriously than we currently are at the pinnacle of the game.

 

[Josh Blue]

WOW........

 

[FantasyIreland]

You were never in pal.

 

[Josh Blue]

You were never in pal.

I'm glad. I don't want to be 'In' with you lot.

 

[flb]

True I suppose but blame should be apportioned properly for that fiasco. Our squad had and continues to have several very real limitations, which are highlighted in European competition. As much as we love our players, some of them just aren't good enough. If we're going to be ruthless about the manager and hold him accountable for not advancing, we must do the same with our players; otherwise, it's rank hypocrisy.

Youve answered your own question fella, its his players that are not performing, you can bet yourself a pound to a pinch of shit that Dzeko will be banging them in for Dortmund if he goes there-a player he bought that clearly doesnt fit his system of play.

I'll be blunt. I don't care. I've seen enough of Dzeko standing like a statue instead of pressing when we lose possession to last a lifetime. Mourinho would strangle him in his sleep and I wouldn't blame him for a second.

Now as a Mourinho advocate and not a Mancini-all-the-way person, I'm still going to insist on putting the blame for this summer's signings where it should be. You won't change my mind on it, and frankly bringing up Dzeko is not ever going to help in that regard.

Fair enough fella-i wont even mention Nasri to you then ;-)

 

[Didsbury Dave]

You were never in pal.

I'm glad. I don't want to be 'In' with you lot.

If we need someone to post infantile pictures and juvenile insults whilst displaying no discernable understanding of football whatsover we will come looking for you on one of the nipple threads in The Cellar, OK?

Bye now.

 

[blueinsa]

The thought of Bob departing is really too much for some to take it seems....

 

[taconinja]

Youve answered your own question fella, its his players that are not performing, you can bet yourself a pound to a pinch of shit that Dzeko will be banging them in for Dortmund if he goes there-a player he bought that clearly doesnt fit his system of play.

I'll be blunt. I don't care. I've seen enough of Dzeko standing like a statue instead of pressing when we lose possession to last a lifetime. Mourinho would strangle him in his sleep and I wouldn't blame him for a second.

Now as a Mourinho advocate and not a Mancini-all-the-way person, I'm still going to insist on putting the blame for this summer's signings where it should be. You won't change my mind on it, and frankly bringing up Dzeko is not ever going to help in that regard.

Fair enough fella-i wont even mention Nasri to you then ;-)

As I said, he's been mismanaged and that's on the manager.