Mancini out? (merged)

[waspish]

Seeing its Groundhog Day I'll state it again Mancini will be still out manager next season...

 

[Anonymous]

Then why was he looking for other jobs last season and why were we looking at other managers ?

Actually ... nevermind. You don't have an answer to that and my point has been made loud and clear.

how do you know we were looking at other managers?

and he was protecting himself, the media were calling for his head and he obviously wasn't a 100%

i'd do the same if people were saying i was going to be sacked, even though nothing had come from my bosses.

explain to me why he's got a 5 year contract?

So it was entirely reasonable for Mancini to protect himself, but our owners are so incompetent, they would not have made any attempts to do likewise?

i believe there may have been tension during last seasons dip.

i don't believe they wanted to sack him.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm no 'Mancini In' obsessive, nor am I obsessive over him leaving like Billy, I would say the jury is out for me at this moment in time. He has a lot to prove and this season has been regressive away from the poor summer and regardless of prior success.

I have a number of frustrations and the book stops with the manager, I just feel it is too early. I'd give him another year, then we will know if the regression is a serious problem, or if this one season is a write off.

That's just me however.

I don't understand this logic and I've seen a few people use it. ie. We seem to be going backwards but Mancini deserves another season and we'll know if the problem is serious or not.

Well if we do give him another season and the problem is serious then come the end of next season I suspect a lot of our top players will be demanding a transfer. If the problem is serious then a decent manager at Chelsea will see them overtake us (4points off us now having had 3 managers in the last year and a half).

This type of risk doesn't sound too appealing to me when the signs this season of regression are so serious.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Being potless come end of season can and does happen. I'm not worried about it happening again but its too simple to just state it like that. You can get potless by end of season by losing in the FA cup semis/final, chase down league to withing a few points etc. Then theres crashing out to Villa in the CC, gaining a solitary point v Ajax over 2 legs in Europe and losing the league by mid Feb.

It's a point oft ignored by people ... Mancini isn't under pressure because we might finish the season without a trophy. He's under pressure because of the performances of the team. Thus if he is dispensed with, it'll be because of those performances. Not because we finished the season potentially without a trophy.

I completely agree, but I'd also add that if he's sacked it will be more about the future than the past. If the board/DoF deem that he cannot fulfil City's ambitions, they will get someone else in. To make that decision they have to look at the whole picture: results, performances, mitigating circumstances, morale, future funding, track record etc.

 

[Moody]

Then why was he looking for other jobs last season and why were we looking at other managers ?

Actually ... nevermind. You don't have an answer to that and my point has been made loud and clear.

how do you know we were looking at other managers?

and he was protecting himself, the media were calling for his head and he obviously wasn't a 100%

i'd do the same if people were saying i was going to be sacked, even though nothing had come from my bosses.

explain to me why he's got a 5 year contract?

So it was entirely reasonable for Mancini to protect himself, but our owners are so incompetent, they would not have made any attempts to do likewise?

to say our owners are incompetent to say the least is crazy, they have changed our club from top to bottom and in the future we will be a major force with a state f the art training complex, they also have done alot of good for the area. They've done all I ever dreamed of and more in my eyes. Sure they might of made a few mistakes but seriously?

 

[Comrade Buka]

The reason they are the best clubs is because they don't accept failure, I would take success over stability every year!

stability more often than not breeds success.

arsenal would have fallen away earlier without wenger imo.

although he should have got them the odd FA or league cup in the last few years.

everton are still pushing up the table with moyes and well the rags have dominated for 20 years.

Stability breeds success only if the right manager is in place, mancini is not the right man unless he's allowed to spend 100+ mill every year and we both know that ain't gonna happen and will take our club backwards a little bit more every year, I can't stand by and watch that!

Seems Captain Obvious has to return from retirement and state the obvious, since the obvious seems to elude.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

We've had a poor season. Nothing more.

You don't sack a manager after a poor season. Especially when the previous two were successful.

Write this year off, rebuild in the summer and go again next year. In three seasons, we've had one poor season. It's not as if we are steadily getting worse. This season if anything goes against the trend.

Plus we had a shocker in the summer, and that wasn't Mancini's fault.

Disagree but a well reasoned post.

Reality is we only played our best football early last season. We went off the boil and only really came to life when Tevez returned.

We struggled against teams last season who parked the bus and its got even worse this season, no answer to that other than a 3-5-2 formation which fits us like Jo Brand in a pair of size 10 jeans.

For the life of me I don't understand the sentimental logic shown here. Mancini has form for being poor in Europe. We need to make headway and if the past is to be learned from (isn't that why we have stats and analysis) then he's proven to be short of whats required.

Finally and I'm yet to read a post containing this, Players themselves. They have ambition and targets. Some have come here to win things and do well in Europe, quite simply if we aren't then they may look to the next club that offer better possibilities. Thinking otherwise is fanciful, players have short careers and can get paid lots of money elsewhere. Taking a punt on Mancini is also taking a punt on keeping stars like Silva and Aguero. Are they meant to stick around hoping Mancini comes good in Europe and sees sense and plays wingers? Or will a move to Real tempt them?

Being potless come end of season can and does happen. I'm not worried about it happening again but its too simple to just state it like that. You can get potless by end of season by losing in the FA cup semis/final, chase down league to withing a few points etc. Then theres crashing out to Villa in the CC, gaining a solitary point v Ajax over 2 legs in Europe and losing the league by mid Feb.

Eyes don't lie, just hearts bias sight.

Can't argue with that. Good post. I think Mancini is a good manager but not a great one. We had a 5 month grace period at the start of last season where opposition teams were still concentrating on their own game plans, but gradually we've moved to a situation whereby more and more of them are focussing on thwarting ours, and with a widthless, paceless squad at our disposal, we don't seem to have any answers, be it shit teams (Sunderland, West Ham, Reading, Everton, Villareal, QPR) parking the bus, or decent teams employing a high press (Dortmund, Madrid, Arsenal, Swansea, Southampton, Liverpool). With 3 away wins in 27 European attempts, I would suggest there is nothing in Mancini's portfolio to demonstrate he has ever had the answers beyond a certain point. The difficulty for the owners is that for all that, he's still a decent manager, and picking a successor will not be easy

 

[Akira]

Seeing its Groundhog Day I'll state it again Mancini will be still out manager next season...

Great description for the forum.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

"Stability breeds success" if one of football's biggest pieces of garbage.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

how do you know we were looking at other managers?

and he was protecting himself, the media were calling for his head and he obviously wasn't a 100%

i'd do the same if people were saying i was going to be sacked, even though nothing had come from my bosses.

explain to me why he's got a 5 year contract?

So it was entirely reasonable for Mancini to protect himself, but our owners are so incompetent, they would not have made any attempts to do likewise?

i believe there may have been tension during last seasons dip.

i don't believe they wanted to sack him.

It's not a simple case of 'wanting' to sack anybody, though.

Just like it was not a simple case of Mancini 'wanting to leave'.

Mancini has been in football long enough to know how things generally pan out in football. It is always about brinkmanship.

He is certainly kissed by good fortune as his label goes.

He has had one foot out the door for the last two seasons, the FA Cup rescued him and Sergio, last season.

Khaldoon certainly didn't want to sack Mark Hughes, but it ultimately comes down to reality.

Thankfully, we won the title last season, as the board had a severe lack of quality candidates to consider from, and Mancini knew it.

The landscape has changed little, aside from Mourinho, on that score.

However, the landscape for this current City team has changed out of all recognition this season, and that is the only reality everyone can see for themselves.