Mancini out? (merged)

[zark]

trouble with mourinho is that hes used goods

like the fat waiter.

once a manager of a top prem club .. thats it, in my opinion.

like going out with your mates ex ... she might be brilliant in all areas but ...
shes been with your mate so it would never work.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Superb post ifiwasarichfan.

 

[Joey_Bluehart]

250+ pages to discuss the future of our greatest manager of the last 40 years, if not ever.

It's a good job this forum is completely unrepresentative of city fans in general or else we'd look like the most disloyal bunch of fans in the history of football.

Say what you want about our neighbours but my god they know how to support their team.

This thread is embarrassing.

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

 

[Phil1]

250+ pages to discuss the future of our greatest manager of the last 40 years, if not ever.

It's a good job this forum is completely unrepresentative of city fans in general or else we'd look like the most disloyal bunch of fans in the history of football.

Say what you want about our neighbours but my god they know how to support their team.

This thread is embarrassing.

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

There has been plenty of Mancini out posts on here over the last 200+ pages - some well reasoned and some, well some absolute horseshit.
Firstly our own and utds squad comparatively speaking had a difference of around 30 million, Chelsea's not much different. So even though it may be correct that we had the most expensive, to say BY FAR is disingenuous.
We may have nearly thrown it away, but we didn't, in fact not only did we not throw it away we chased down Utd and went on to win the most breathtaking premier league title in history. Our name will go down in the record books as champions and that's all that counts after the 38 games have been played.
This years showing in the CL has not been good enough, no arguments and its something that needs urgent attention. Last season, though not great wasn't so bad I'd class it as embarrassing and for our first time out in the competition our points total wasn't bad.
Saying he's irreversibly lost the dressing room is just conjecture with no basis whatsoever bar what the red tops and sky sports tell you. There's no proof whatsoever yet you say it as though its fact. I'm sure there are players who don't think Mancini is a nice guy and I'm sure some don't agree with all of his decisions but the way you paint it is artistic license at its best.

I can't argue your last paragraph because it's just your own opinion - suffice to say I disagree with it entirely.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

250+ pages to discuss the future of our greatest manager of the last 40 years, if not ever.

It's a good job this forum is completely unrepresentative of city fans in general or else we'd look like the most disloyal bunch of fans in the history of football.

Say what you want about our neighbours but my god they know how to support their team.

This thread is embarrassing.

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

And king Jose... Coming second in his own city...MILES behind the leaders in Spain (quite some achievement to be placed third in a two horse race)..lost the dressing room, big time....currently (yawn) playing to the cameras (again. Again. Again)..leaves the dressing room before half time ends versus the scum simply so the worlds media would focus on him sat alone all pensive and windswept in the dugout..on top of that he is a thug, assaulting opposing coaches in full glare of the worlds cameras..

I honestly and truthfully believe that if that overrated nomark gets anywhere near our club he will not only do no better than Mancini (how many CL's has he won with Madrid, the most experienced and savvy European side in history?). He won it with Inter, using the brunt of mancini's side. He didn't win it with Chelsea, despite havin the most expensively assembled side in history..

On top of all that he would drop city like a tonne of hot shite if utd came calling. Or Chelsea. Or Bayern.

And lastly, with his ego, and his way of working I believe he would put the whole city project in real jeapordy.

Basically he's a Portuguese Harry redknapp, or maybe a Brian clough without the talent.

No thanks.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

End of the day, no matter who you want to replace Mancini, apart from Mouriniho (who most wouldn't want)

Laughable comment. Half a dozen loudmouths on this forum do represent "most".

The overwhelming majority of City fans, if Mancini went, would love Mourinho in charge and would have him as their number one choice.

I will vouch for this. I dont want to see Mancini go and if he did my number one choice would be Mourinho.

I have always been a massive fan of his but I do have a couple of problems with him at the moment and neither have been discussed at length here. Its pretty much common knowledge now that he is leaving Madrid. Why then has he not dealt with the poison in the Madrid dressing room that is Casillas and Ramos and possibly Alonso as well in a more firm manner. Surely with nothing to lose being so far behind Barca he could have laid down his marker and bombed them to the stiffs.
My second concern is that I wouldn't put it past United to see Jose at City and then after a Season move Ferguson upstairs and then entice him across Manchester to disrupt our development. People might say this is far fetched but its crossed my mind more than once, especially when the "special one" haters get going and say "with Mourinho it is "all about him".

Mancini needs to stay because I want to see something at my Team that I haven't seen in 46 years of being a supporter. Stability and steady progess. We dont have to conquer the World overnight. This is usually the time when those calling for that get accused of having a "small mentality" but it is just so valid given the way the game is going now with FFP and the position of our rivals. United and Arsenal and Chelsea will all change Managers and leadership very shortly. Let their Clubs face the disruption and the uncertainty not us.

Mancini is a Manager who delivers. It shows a complete lack of understanding and knowledge of the wider picture when names suddenly appear on here and gain momentum - the last few days it has been Laudrup,Pelligrini,Biesla,Moyes and Simeone. Just compare the records of those mentioned with our current Manager.

It also shows a complete lack of respect for what he has achieved and Football knowledge when Mancini's detractors speak of him as being so far behind Mourinho,Wenger,Kloop,Pep etc as if he is some sort of lucky Steve Bruce. He may not be the best but he certainly deserves a seat at their Table and his record shows that.

Mancini has won 9 Trophies with 4 different sides in 12 Seasons. He still isn't even 50 !! He buys well, he fights, unlike some on here I believe him to be tactically sound, he improves players with his methods. If his single mindedness and aloofness and stubborness and capacity to lay the blame at the Door of others are seen as faults - well then Mourinho and Ferguson and Wenger share them as well.

Some fantastic points in there
Brilliant post.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

250+ pages to discuss the future of our greatest manager of the last 40 years, if not ever.

It's a good job this forum is completely unrepresentative of city fans in general or else we'd look like the most disloyal bunch of fans in the history of football.

Say what you want about our neighbours but my god they know how to support their team.

This thread is embarrassing.

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

And king Jose... Coming second in his own city...MILES behind the leaders in Spain (quite some achievement to be placed third in a two horse race)..lost the dressing room, big time....currently (yawn) playing to the cameras (again. Again. Again)..leaves the dressing room before half time ends versus the scum simply so the worlds media would focus on him sat alone all pensive and windswept in the dugout..on top of that he is a thug, assaulting opposing coaches in full glare of the worlds cameras..

I honestly and truthfully believe that if that overrated nomark gets anywhere near our club he will not only do no better than Mancini (how many CL's has he won with Madrid, the most experienced and savvy European side in history?). He won it with Inter, using the brunt of mancini's side. He didn't win it with Chelsea, despite havin the most expensively assembled side in history..

On top of all that he would drop city like a tonne of hot shite if utd came calling. Or Chelsea. Or Bayern.

And lastly, with his ego, and his way of working I believe he would put the whole city project in real jeapordy.

Basically he's a Portuguese Harry redknapp, or maybe a Brian clough without the talent.

No thanks.

Are you taking the piss or something?

I can understand people not like Mourinho but there is no arguing with his record. Doesn't winning the CL with most of Mancinis side show he is the better manager as Mancini came no where near CL success with that squad? You also forgot to mention his success at Porto.

 

[blueinsa]

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

And king Jose... Coming second in his own city...MILES behind the leaders in Spain (quite some achievement to be placed third in a two horse race)..lost the dressing room, big time....currently (yawn) playing to the cameras (again. Again. Again)..leaves the dressing room before half time ends versus the scum simply so the worlds media would focus on him sat alone all pensive and windswept in the dugout..on top of that he is a thug, assaulting opposing coaches in full glare of the worlds cameras..

I honestly and truthfully believe that if that overrated nomark gets anywhere near our club he will not only do no better than Mancini (how many CL's has he won with Madrid, the most experienced and savvy European side in history?). He won it with Inter, using the brunt of mancini's side. He didn't win it with Chelsea, despite havin the most expensively assembled side in history..

On top of all that he would drop city like a tonne of hot shite if utd came calling. Or Chelsea. Or Bayern.

And lastly, with his ego, and his way of working I believe he would put the whole city project in real jeapordy.

Basically he's a Portuguese Harry redknapp, or maybe a Brian clough without the talent.

No thanks.

Are you taking the piss or something?

I can understand people not like Mourinho but there is no arguing with his record. Doesn't winning the CL with the most of Mancinis side show he is the better manager as Mancini came no where near CL success with that squad? You also forgot to mention his success at Porto.

Makes me laugh when i read crap like that.

They also claim his football is defensive shit yet his record clearly shows that although his teams normally are extremely tight in defence, they also score a shit load of goals.

Dont like Mourinho by all means but lets not try and rewrite history eh.

 

[andyhinch]

250+ pages to discuss the future of our greatest manager of the last 40 years, if not ever.

It's a good job this forum is completely unrepresentative of city fans in general or else we'd look like the most disloyal bunch of fans in the history of football.

Say what you want about our neighbours but my god they know how to support their team.

This thread is embarrassing.

He won the Premiership with BY FAR the most expensively assembled playing talent in the league that year, and very nearly threw it away. He has embarassed us in the Champions League two seasons in a row when we badly needed a good showing to boost our income with FFP looming, and looks to have irreversibly lost the dressing room this season.

It sounds harsh but I'd say he has achieved the bare minimum, nothing more, and for both on and off-field reasons we cannot afford to have an uninventive manager with no Champions League credentials at the helm next season.

We should of gone unbeaten last year and improved this, those fuckers over the road can do it with accadamy players ffs!

 

[hgblue]

And king Jose... Coming second in his own city...MILES behind the leaders in Spain (quite some achievement to be placed third in a two horse race)..lost the dressing room, big time....currently (yawn) playing to the cameras (again. Again. Again)..leaves the dressing room before half time ends versus the scum simply so the worlds media would focus on him sat alone all pensive and windswept in the dugout..on top of that he is a thug, assaulting opposing coaches in full glare of the worlds cameras..

I honestly and truthfully believe that if that overrated nomark gets anywhere near our club he will not only do no better than Mancini (how many CL's has he won with Madrid, the most experienced and savvy European side in history?). He won it with Inter, using the brunt of mancini's side. He didn't win it with Chelsea, despite havin the most expensively assembled side in history..

On top of all that he would drop city like a tonne of hot shite if utd came calling. Or Chelsea. Or Bayern.

And lastly, with his ego, and his way of working I believe he would put the whole city project in real jeapordy.

Basically he's a Portuguese Harry redknapp, or maybe a Brian clough without the talent.

No thanks.

Are you taking the piss or something?

I can understand people not like Mourinho but there is no arguing with his record. Doesn't winning the CL with the most of Mancinis side show he is the better manager as Mancini came no where near CL success with that squad? You also forgot to mention his success at Porto.

Makes me laugh when i read crap like that.

They also claim his football is defensive shit yet his record clearly shows that although his teams normally are extremely tight in defence, they also score a shit load of goals.

Dont like Mourinho by all means but lets not try and rewrite history eh.

Saw an interesting stat on Revista last night which puts Mourinho's tenure at Madrid into perspective. He recently completed his 100th La Liga game in charge of Madrid, and he has the best win ratio (76%) of any manager in the history of that football club. Bar none. Bearing in mind some of the playing and managerial legends that have represented that football club, that's one impressive stat. For those who bemoan his negative approach, 283 goals scored.

 

[Anonymous]

I will vouch for this. I dont want to see Mancini go and if he did my number one choice would be Mourinho.

I have always been a massive fan of his but I do have a couple of problems with him at the moment and neither have been discussed at length here. Its pretty much common knowledge now that he is leaving Madrid. Why then has he not dealt with the poison in the Madrid dressing room that is Casillas and Ramos and possibly Alonso as well in a more firm manner. Surely with nothing to lose being so far behind Barca he could have laid down his marker and bombed them to the stiffs.
My second concern is that I wouldn't put it past United to see Jose at City and then after a Season move Ferguson upstairs and then entice him across Manchester to disrupt our development. People might say this is far fetched but its crossed my mind more than once, especially when the "special one" haters get going and say "with Mourinho it is "all about him".

It would be physically impossible for Mourinho (or in fact any manager) to move from City to United in the current climate. It's a non issue for me.

Mancini needs to stay because I want to see something at my Team that I haven't seen in 46 years of being a supporter. Stability and steady progess. We dont have to conquer the World overnight. This is usually the time when those calling for that get accused of having a "small mentality" but it is just so valid given the way the game is going now with FFP and the position of our rivals. United and Arsenal and Chelsea will all change Managers and leadership very shortly. Let their Clubs face the disruption and the uncertainty not us.

I wouldn't say it's a small time mentality, in fact, I understand completely the point you're making. Now more than ever we need a steady hand, a real leader at the club who understands and can manage the expectations of both the supporters and the owners. Someone who can keep his head when all around them may lose theirs. Someone who will inspire in players the need and want to go the extra mile for them.

Mancini is a Manager who delivers. It shows a complete lack of understanding and knowledge of the wider picture when names suddenly appear on here and gain momentum - the last few days it has been Laudrup,Pelligrini,Biesla,Moyes and Simeone. Just compare the records of those mentioned with our current Manager.

It also shows a complete lack of respect for what he has achieved and Football knowledge when Mancini's detractors speak of him as being so far behind Mourinho,Wenger,Kloop,Pep etc as if he is some sort of lucky Steve Bruce. He may not be the best but he certainly deserves a seat at their Table and his record shows that.


Mancini has won 9 Trophies with 4 different sides in 12 Seasons. He still isn't even 50 !! He buys well, he fights, unlike some on here I believe him to be tactically sound, he improves players with his methods. If his single mindedness and aloofness and stubborness and capacity to lay the blame at the Door of others are seen as faults - well then Mourinho and Ferguson and Wenger share them as well.

With respect I think you're veering into what I consider over emotional territory. No one disputes that Mancini is an excellent coach. Even I don't dispute that. The comparisons between him and the managers you mention is down to their relative achievements. It is an indisputable fact that even with the masses of money which Moratti gave to Mancini, he didn't come close to winning the CL. He also only managed his league successes after Calciopoli when the Italian league was for all intents and purposes a joke.

Now that may seem like I'm being disrespectful but I'm not. What happened there during that period was unprecedented. Mancini no doubt still had to go out and accumulate the points he did, however it's not an exaggeration to say that it is the equivalent of the rags buying RVP, us being relegated, and Spurs, Chelsea, and Arsenal all being docked 10/20 points. The league would be a joke, as the Italian league was.

So yes, Mancini has trophies, and yes he for his age is a very successful coach and one who is very good at his job. But he isn't in the same league as guys like Klopp, Mourinho, Pep, and yes, even Wenger. These guys have all (I guess with the exception of Pep) managed achievements which totally eclipse Mancini's. All in my opinion of course.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Are you taking the piss or something?

I can understand people not like Mourinho but there is no arguing with his record. Doesn't winning the CL with the most of Mancinis side show he is the better manager as Mancini came no where near CL success with that squad? You also forgot to mention his success at Porto.

Makes me laugh when i read crap like that.

They also claim his football is defensive shit yet his record clearly shows that although his teams normally are extremely tight in defence, they also score a shit load of goals.

Dont like Mourinho by all means but lets not try and rewrite history eh.

Saw an interesting stat on Revista last night which puts Mourinho's tenure at Madrid into perspective. He recently completed his 100th La Liga game in charge of Madrid, and he has the best win ratio (76%) of any manager in the history of that football club. Bar none. Bearing in mind some of the playing and managerial legends that have represented that football club, that's one impressive stat. For those who bemoan his negative approach, 283 goals scored.

And for madrid thats a failure
A cup and one title in 3 years<br /><br />-- Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:50 pm --<br /><br />

So yes, Mancini has trophies, and yes he for his age is a very successful coach and one who is very good at his job. But he isn't in the same league as guys like Klopp, Mourinho, Pep, and yes, even Wenger. These guys have all (I guess with the exception of Pep) managed achievements which totally eclipse Mancini's. All in my opinion of course.

The wenger of today or from 6-10 years ago?

 

[hgblue]

Makes me laugh when i read crap like that.

They also claim his football is defensive shit yet his record clearly shows that although his teams normally are extremely tight in defence, they also score a shit load of goals.

Dont like Mourinho by all means but lets not try and rewrite history eh.

Saw an interesting stat on Revista last night which puts Mourinho's tenure at Madrid into perspective. He recently completed his 100th La Liga game in charge of Madrid, and he has the best win ratio (76%) of any manager in the history of that football club. Bar none. Bearing in mind some of the playing and managerial legends that have represented that football club, that's one impressive stat. For those who bemoan his negative approach, 283 goals scored.

And for madrid thats a failure
A cup and one title in 3 years

Did you even read what I posted? The best win ratio from his first 100 League games in the history of that football club. Achieved against the backdrop of the best Barcelona team in history.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Saw an interesting stat on Revista last night which puts Mourinho's tenure at Madrid into perspective. He recently completed his 100th La Liga game in charge of Madrid, and he has the best win ratio (76%) of any manager in the history of that football club. Bar none. Bearing in mind some of the playing and managerial legends that have represented that football club, that's one impressive stat. For those who bemoan his negative approach, 283 goals scored.

And for madrid thats a failure
A cup and one title in 3 years

Did you even read what I posted? The best win ratio from his first 100 League games in the history of that football club. Achieved against the backdrop of the best Barcelona team in history.

Yes
Did you read mine?
Real madrid is all about european trophies,if they are not delivered managers are shown the door.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes
Did you read mine?
Real madrid is all about european trophies,if they are not delivered managers are shown the door.

You've dug a hole so deep you'll need to be airlifted out mate ... :)

Regardless of what Madrid's expectations are with regards the European cup, the point being made is that whilst you class Mourinho as a failure at Madrid, the statistics suggest he's their best manager ever ... hahaha.

 

[Phil1]

Are you taking the piss or something?

I can understand people not like Mourinho but there is no arguing with his record. Doesn't winning the CL with the most of Mancinis side show he is the better manager as Mancini came no where near CL success with that squad? You also forgot to mention his success at Porto.

Makes me laugh when i read crap like that.

They also claim his football is defensive shit yet his record clearly shows that although his teams normally are extremely tight in defence, they also score a shit load of goals.

Dont like Mourinho by all means but lets not try and rewrite history eh.

Saw an interesting stat on Revista last night which puts Mourinho's tenure at Madrid into perspective. He recently completed his 100th La Liga game in charge of Madrid, and he has the best win ratio (76%) of any manager in the history of that football club. Bar none. Bearing in mind some of the playing and managerial legends that have represented that football club, that's one impressive stat. For those who bemoan his negative approach, 283 goals scored.

I know a lot of people feel the need to bring down the achievements of one manager in order to big up the other, but anyone who tries to argue that Mourinho isn't a top top manager is way off the mark. My own loyalties are with Mancini but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate how good Mourinho is, and if for whatever reason Bobby goes then I would welcome him to the club. What will be will be I suppose.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Yes
Did you read mine?
Real madrid is all about european trophies,if they are not delivered managers are shown the door.

You've dug a hole so deep you'll need to be airlifted out mate ... :)

Regardless of what Madrid's expectations are with regards the European cup, the point being made is that whilst you class Mourinho as a failure at Madrid, the statistics suggest he's their best manager ever ... hahaha.

Ha Ha
Was watching la liga revisted again the other night,that was what the whole conversation was about,European cups,madrid crave them,and jose was brought in to win them
And to knock barca off their perch and stay at the top,tbh if he won it this year,i would say he had done pretty damn good

 

[Anonymous]

Yes
Did you read mine?
Real madrid is all about european trophies,if they are not delivered managers are shown the door.

You've dug a hole so deep you'll need to be airlifted out mate ... :)

Regardless of what Madrid's expectations are with regards the European cup, the point being made is that whilst you class Mourinho as a failure at Madrid, the statistics suggest he's their best manager ever ... hahaha.

Ha Ha
Was watching la liga revisted again the other night,that was what the whole conversation was about,European cups,madrid crave them,and jose was brought in to win them
And to knock barca off their perch and stay at the top,tbh if he won it this year,i would say he had done pretty damn good

He ain't winning it this season IMO ... sadly the rags will beat them at $old Trafford. However if he does somehow manage to win it, then it will only reaffirm him as currently the best manager in the world bar none.

 

[waspish]

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/citytv/match-highlights/2011/august/spurs-v-city-extended-highlights?play=1

Why can't we create a performance like above anymore?

Motivation?
Sussed Out?
Everyone's got better?
We've got worse?

What's the answer?

I want my City back :-(

What do you do when a team is happy to play two rows of 5 and are happy to stay like that even when they are 1 and 2 goals down?

Even Barcelona struggle when teams do that and it only usually happen in champs league games, teams in the Spanish league try to have a go..

 

[bernabias home shirt]

You've dug a hole so deep you'll need to be airlifted out mate ... :)

Regardless of what Madrid's expectations are with regards the European cup, the point being made is that whilst you class Mourinho as a failure at Madrid, the statistics suggest he's their best manager ever ... hahaha.

Ha Ha
Was watching la liga revisted again the other night,that was what the whole conversation was about,European cups,madrid crave them,and jose was brought in to win them
And to knock barca off their perch and stay at the top,tbh if he won it this year,i would say he had done pretty damn good

He ain't winning it this season IMO ... sadly the rags will beat them at $old Trafford. However if he does somehow manage to win it, then it will only reaffirm him as currently the best manager in the world bar none.

Tbh billy i think madrid will actually smash them to pieces,and i hope they do
I just think,they then,may be found out by one of the german sides,and if it isnt them theres always barca..
Or they could just go and win the fucking thing :)