Mancini/Pellegrini rumours (10/05/13) (cont)

[cookster]

Change is not always bad. The club have realised Mancini's limitation and will probably make a statement at the end of the season.

 

[penalty spot]

Maybe in a few years we could be developing our own managers from within the club. Similar to that which happened at dare I say Barcelona. I seem to remember we have had our own players become managers in the past. We do have some players now in the present team who could become managerial quality if they were taught by older coaches. I,ll let you come up with the names of past players but Tony Book was ok and if the long term plan is to generate our own youth system and style ,maybe developing managers is not so much of a fantasy ?
If Pellegrini is 59 he would surely be capable of staying with us for a few years, its just a thought. And if he is going, Mancini in my eyes he did a good job.

 

[momo88]

Im a not a manager nor think i have the skill (im not getting paid millions) :)

But

from tactical point view, when you feel the need to sub Tevez(a striker) to enter Rodwell( a def mid) against a struggling side like wigan in a Final in a neutral venue because matched you and pressed you then there is a problem

what do you think guys ? :)

 

[adrianr]

Change is not always bad. The club have realised Mancini's limitation and will probably make a statement at the end of the season.

A thousand times fucking this. Could we put a Bluemoon wide filter on the forum that automatically changes the word 'stability' to 'balloons' or something?

 

[Project]

You know, I feel some of you are losing the plot a little.

People are upset about yesterday. I understand that. We lost a cup final. But the way in which we are looking for people to blame and in particular, rounding on Ferran and Txiki is quite frankly bizarre. Take a step back and a deep breath and think about what the fuck some of you are saying.

It is quite clear that the decision was taken some time ago to replace Mancini with Pellegrini. Now, how do you handle this? Do you try to sow up the deal in the background before informing people so as to not distract on the teams performances? Or do you tell the press every step of the way during negotiations? It seems like most of you think it should be the latter. Crazy. What exactly were you expecting after the news reports broke? For Ferran to come out and say actually yes, we are looking for a new manager and Mancini is gone? The day of the Cup final? Really?

These guys are professional. They believe there are better managerial options and have gone about securing one of those options, without feeling the need to brief the press.

There is also this view that the hierarchy should have waited until the season was done before negotiating with another manager. As if by doing so was somehow not classy. Firstly, get real - this is how the world works. Secondly, I assume these are the same people who ranted at Marwood for not getting the transfer business concluded earlier enough last season.

Yesterday wasn't a great day, but we will move on. Surely after everything Khaldoon has done that has been right he can be afforded a degree of trust. We are a club that is in great hands. Yet the flapping on here has been unbelievable.

What we are witnessing in the press and Twitter today will be long forgotten, much like Hughes was.

I disagree.

If you have decided to replace the manager you must have done so with targets in mind. Those targets must have been available and their availability could be checked without the news breaking. It's just a matter of including a non disclosure clause to the negotiations. The moment any news leaks the candidate is out of the picture and the rumour can be denied.

You also need to think about the manner of negotiations. If the meeting a couple of weeks ago was about Pelligrini and not player recruitment then why the fuck was it done in public? Why did it take place 2 weeks before the FA cup final?

This is amateurish in the extreme. Completely undermining the manager and therefore team. And in this case the FA CUP FINAL which became no more than a speculation fest for the media and therefore an embarrassment to the club.

If I was the owner I would be fucking irate at the way the club has been made to look in the media and that is down to the way the execs have acted.

I'm struggling to see how you've gone from a single rumour leaking (not on our part I might add, but from the Spanish end) to declaring our board amateur and an embarrassment to the club. I mean really, think about how you've just connected those dots for a second.

It's like there are no shades of grey on here, just black or white. Do you really for a second think we do not operate under NDA? Leaks happen - its the nature of the business given the vested interests and money at stake. Our MO is to work quietly and behind the scenes, without regard for keeping the press informed of what our activities are. I quite like that approach, but it does mean that speculation leads to arguments like we've seen on the board where people put 2 and 2 together and come up with an answer that suits their agenda.

All I know is that Khaldoon is the real deal. The upmost professional and a guy who gets things done. I side with his way of doing business over conjecture and the need to keep Fleet Street sweet.

 

[BobKowalski]

You know, I feel some of you are losing the plot a little.

People are upset about yesterday. I understand that. We lost a cup final. But the way in which we are looking for people to blame and in particular, rounding on Ferran and Txiki is quite frankly bizarre. Take a step back and a deep breath and think about what the fuck some of you are saying.

It is quite clear that the decision was taken some time ago to replace Mancini with Pellegrini. Now, how do you handle this? Do you try to sow up the deal in the background before informing people so as to not distract on the teams performances? Or do you tell the press every step of the way during negotiations? It seems like most of you think it should be the latter. Crazy. What exactly were you expecting after the news reports broke? For Ferran to come out and say actually yes, we are looking for a new manager and Mancini is gone? The day of the Cup final? Really?

These guys are professional. They believe there are better managerial options and have gone about securing one of those options, without feeling the need to brief the press.

There is also this view that the hierarchy should have waited until the season was done before negotiating with another manager. As if by doing so was somehow not classy. Firstly, get real - this is how the world works. Secondly, I assume these are the same people who ranted at Marwood for not getting the transfer business concluded earlier enough last season.

Yesterday wasn't a great day, but we will move on. Surely after everything Khaldoon has done that has been right he can be afforded a degree of trust. We are a club that is in great hands. Yet the flapping on here has been unbelievable.

What we are witnessing in the press and Twitter today will be long forgotten, much like Hughes was.

Great post mate.

Txiki and soriano come out of this with great deal of credit in my eyes. From what I hear they had to act decisively to head of barca. If they've done that then they've done well.

Hopefully rm will get a send off by the fans next week, then onwards and upwards for mcfc. I see exciting times ahead.

Oh come on. Great credit? Negotiate and get your man in by all means I'm fine with that. Oversee a media shitstorm that makes us look like fucking amateurs? I'm sure Khaldoon was overjoyed by the speculation swirling round him with the worlds media looking on. Not part of the masterplan I would suggest.

As for that Barca bollocks. Give me a break. We have been talking to the guy since February and we 'just had to tie it up the day before the Cup final'? Yeah right. And the reason why you couldn't keep the deal quiet until the day after the cup final would be? Answers on a fucking postcard.

 

[Lomas has a lob on]

Specualtion aside, were at a stage of the season where we can ask the question, "have we imporved on last season"? NO." Have we consolidated and maintianed the levels we achieved last season"? NO. "Have we gone backwards" YES.

Now the above is only my opinion, but I cant see where anyone can argue that we have improved, or at least maintained last seasons performances. I'm also fully aware there may well be contributing factors to us going backwards, like our woeful summer transfer recruiting.
When all is said and done, we as a club have gone backwards, that suggests to me, change is needed!

 

[Slice of life]

Makes no odds. Generally speaking a club only has a manager for about 3 years anyway.

WOW. So let's bring someone in who's only concerned about the next 3 years, then fucks off and leaves us in the shit? Great plan!

But that the reality of football these days - there will never ever be another Ferguson

Maybe you haven't noticed the enormous football academy under construction? What's the point of that if we just bring in short term managers who want to buy the finished article for immediate gain, not long term future?

People on here laughing about Moyes, but he was given a 6 year contract to carry on the ongoing projects at the club. In six years from now, Pellegrini will be sat on a rocking chair in Chile. And I doubt very much that Ferran and Txiki will still be in Manchester either. We need some real City people at the club.

 

[Grande Paolo]

I think this "stability" is overrated in England. If you'd look at some of the greatest (and CL-winning) sides from last 25 years:

Sacchi's Milan, Pep's Barca and Del Bosque's Real lasted only for FOUR YEARS! Mourinho's Inter only TWO! Capello's Milan, Rijkaard's Barca and Lippi's Juve FIVE! Only Van Gaal's Ajax (6 years), Hitzfeld's Bayern (6), Ancelotti's Milan (8) and Cruyff's Barca (8) lasted for a bit longer.


Football is about circles and Mancini is in his fourth year so maybe it's time to say goodbye. "Stability" is not about one man and never will be.

 

[OB1]

Like others on here, I tend to have a nosey at other fans forums such as Rag Cafe and RAWK and it's true that none of them rate Bob and are shitting themselves at the prospect of us getting a 'decent' manager.

Well the inners for some reason believe everyone is shit scared of Mancini.

The Inners, well some of them - the Cellar Dwellers - tried to mock me, and distort what I said (humour ark, ark) - when I commented some weeks back that if we were looking at Laudrup, we should look at Martinez. Bet no one's sniggering about Martinez this morning after he comprehensively outdid Mancini. I wasn't then and I'm not now suggesting we should go for Martinez: let's face it Martinez may well take his team down and if he does after what they have shown they can do, you'd have to question some of his decision making across the season.

Anyway, no good suggesting any other names because it looks like we will be getting Pellegrini so we better get used to it.