Mancini Press Conference

[persvenality cult]

How do you "get rid" of Bellamy, Adebayor and Bridge?

They're on huge contracts, they want paying off... are you suggesting we give them away on frees? Because that might just be the only way to get rid of them!

I would use Adebayor to get a player from Real, but clearly Mancini may be being inflexible in not wanting one of them!

But in terms of getting transfer fees for any of them, no one is biting. So what can the club do? Loan them out where we pay some of the wages. Are you amenable to that? Because if that is what they do then the new guy Williams will have failed!

And while you claim that Nasri is going to cost too much... how can that be when so far Arsenal have refused to sell him? If it was "too much" then Arsenal would have bitten our hands off. The fact they haven't suggest that they don't think it's "too much".

What do you think we should have signed Nasri for? Whatever the figure is it better match the valuation of Wenger otherwise he's not selling.

Like I say, unless someone can tell me players we have missed out on, or players we could have signed earlier, I'm not sure what else Cook and Marwood could have done.

Their job is to get the deal. No matter how long it takes. And that, to me, is far preferable to the previous arrangements when we signed players we can now not "get rid off"!

For goodness sakes man, they were the ones who did those deals in the first place! Some of which took a very long time.

You can't tell me that giving Nasri 160k p/w makes any more sense than giving Ade 160 p/w did.

What's changed? Nothing.

I repeat my original question... who have we missed out on?

If you wanted Nasri in earlier, how much would you have paid for that privilege?

No point squealing that nothing's changed... what should have been done different?

You're making excuse after excuse, saying that because this is the way things worked out that is the proof there is no way they could have worked out any better.

I think our record speaks for itself. We still get some great players (like Tevez, Silva) but not the ultimate targets. We're still more concerned with general 'quality' than finding exact fits. We still win most deals by paying more than other clubs (Clichy for 2m more than Liverpool had agreed, just like Bellamy for 2m more than Tottenham had offered). We still pay considerably more wages than other clubs, so we will still have the same problems if Nasri and co don't work out. And we still haven't found any way to shift the unwanted players. We're still making structured proposals rather than deals. Yes, Utd and Real will wait for players but neither of those clubs would ever pay 24m for a player entering the last year of his contract.

Waiting for a player is fine, but it's not really the issue. The issue is not being agile or responsive enough to make the deals sooner.

I don't believe that Sanchez was always destined for Barca. I think they are more prestigious than us, but that's not always upmost in a players mind. First impressions are everything, and urgency communicates to the player that they are being valued extremely highly by the pursuing club. If you say the wrong things in meetings with the player, if you put off making a concrete offer until the last minute, you've blown your chance to charm him, knock him off his feet and swoop him away.

The same goes for selling clubs. If you're a poker player you will know that the timing of the offer is everything. Wait just a little too long and the moment where the other guy wavers is gone. Then you have to resort to attrition, and it will either be extremely long and drawn out, and you will scarcely ever get a truly favourable deal.

 

[Mancio]

someone here seems to be forgetting Sanchez.

Cook was at the beginning of May in Italy. Pozzo the next week came to Manchester. Udinese wanted 40 million euros. Cook was inflexible to 30 million. was not seized the moment. then Barcelona sniffed and put an offert and clearly became the preferred destination by the player.

Mancini has not forgotten.

Who cares what Mancini has or hasn't forgotten. Udinese (just like At Madrid, just like Arsenal with Nasri) were never going sell Sanchez until such time as they had fully explored the market. Even if we'd offered 40 million euros in May, they would've still waited until the middle of the summer to see who else came in.

The argument is not about getting players quicker. It's about power. And the way in which it has been made public is no better for the club than players running their mouth about the manager...

in the press conference this morning mancini has been very clear for who want understand....

"when you have a target you have to push hard for get it etc etc"

but i know you are not interested to understand.

 

[zangatangring]

No doubt about it. We need more players if we're to seriously compete in all competitions. Mancini is completely justified with his claims. What struck me is that he said "We need players to compete in the premier league and players to compete in the champions league."
Probably a misnomer.

I think that a couple (2 or 3) signings will be made after the acquisition of Nasri. One world class one, then the rest will be 'inspired' budget acquisitions.

 

[Soulboy]

For goodness sakes man, they were the ones who did those deals in the first place! Some of which took a very long time.

You can't tell me that giving Nasri 160k p/w makes any more sense than giving Ade 160 p/w did.

What's changed? Nothing.

I repeat my original question... who have we missed out on?

If you wanted Nasri in earlier, how much would you have paid for that privilege?

No point squealing that nothing's changed... what should have been done different?

You're making excuse after excuse, saying that because this is the way things worked out that is the proof there is no way they could have worked out any better.

I think our record speaks for itself. We still get some great players (like Tevez, Silva) but not the ultimate targets. We're still more concerned with general 'quality' than finding exact fits. We still win most deals by paying more than other clubs (Clichy for 2m more than Liverpool had agreed, just like Bellamy for 2m more than Tottenham had offered). We still pay considerably more wages than other clubs, so we will still have the same problems if Nasri and co don't work out. And we still haven't found any way to shift the unwanted players. We're still making structured proposals rather than deals. Yes, Utd and Real will wait for players but neither of those clubs would ever pay 24m for a player entering the last year of his contract.

Waiting for a player is fine, but it's not really the issue. The issue is not being agile or responsive enough to make the deals sooner.

I don't believe that Sanchez was always destined for Barca. I think they are more prestigious than us, but that's not always upmost in a players mind. First impressions are everything, and urgency communicates to the player that they are being valued extremely highly by the pursuing club. If you say the wrong things in meetings with the player, if you put off making a concrete offer until the last minute, you've blown your chance to charm him, knock him off his feet and swoop him away.

The same goes for selling clubs. If you're a poker player you will know that the timing of the offer is everything. Wait just a little too long and the moment where the other guy wavers is gone. Then you have to resort to attrition, and it will either be extremely long and drawn out, and you will scarcely ever get a truly favourable deal.

Can't disagree with that.

But my question still applies... who have we missed out on?

I don't believe Sanchez was ever coming, but if you know different fair do's.

I'm not sure why I'm defending Cook and Marwood... if it was up to me at least one of these would have been gone by now!

But in the interests of fairness I don't see too much what they have done wrong this close season.

And anyway, we're getting really off topic now, because the original thread (and my response) was about Mancini's apparent irritation that he isn't getting what he wants... and as I've said, it's a bit ungrateful of him to criticise a club that has backed him so much so far.

Can we concentrate on that rather than transfer deals? They are a slightly different focus, and I'm sure Mancini's transfer deals will be fully scrutinised come September 1st. !

Must dash now, meal out with the missus at "the best Chinese restaurant" in Britain...

PS If "urgency" is an indicator of how highly a club values a transfer target... how does that work with Barca and Fabregas! ;-))

 

[kcmcfc]

I'm not a fan of burning bridges. I don't know exactly what players like Ade, Bellamy, etc did to get so out of favor (we all have guesses and at least part of the picture) but they are quality players who could play a part if one or two final signings fall through.

If the manager/club have a plan B for targets they sure keep it secret...as they should. I just hope it's there. No clubs HAVE to sell to us if they have players under contract.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Not a ball kicked in anger and the vultures have come out already! A Bluemoon Record

Unbelievable isn't it? We won the FA Cup in our last game proper game.

 

[Bluemoon115]

someone here seems to be forgetting Sanchez.

Cook was at the beginning of May in Italy. Pozzo the next week came to Manchester. Udinese wanted 40 million euros. Cook was inflexible to 30 million. was not seized the moment. then Barcelona sniffed and put an offert and clearly became the preferred destination by the player.

Mancini has not forgotten.

Who cares what Mancini has or hasn't forgotten. Udinese (just like At Madrid, just like Arsenal with Nasri) were never going sell Sanchez until such time as they had fully explored the market. Even if we'd offered 40 million euros in May, they would've still waited until the middle of the summer to see who else came in.

The argument is not about getting players quicker. It's about power. And the way in which it has been made public is no better for the club than players running their mouth about the manager...

in the press conference this morning mancini has been very clear for who want understand....

"when you have a target you have to push hard for get it etc etc"

but i know you are not interested to understand.

There's a difference between "pushing hard" and "paying beyond what the balance sheet will allow (in reference to FFPR)"

But I know you are not interested to understand.

 

[Blue Tooth]

I repeat my original question... who have we missed out on?

If you wanted Nasri in earlier, how much would you have paid for that privilege?

No point squealing that nothing's changed... what should have been done different?

You're making excuse after excuse, saying that because this is the way things worked out that is the proof there is no way they could have worked out any better.

I think our record speaks for itself. We still get some great players (like Tevez, Silva) but not the ultimate targets. We're still more concerned with general 'quality' than finding exact fits. We still win most deals by paying more than other clubs (Clichy for 2m more than Liverpool had agreed, just like Bellamy for 2m more than Tottenham had offered). We still pay considerably more wages than other clubs, so we will still have the same problems if Nasri and co don't work out. And we still haven't found any way to shift the unwanted players. We're still making structured proposals rather than deals. Yes, Utd and Real will wait for players but neither of those clubs would ever pay 24m for a player entering the last year of his contract.

Waiting for a player is fine, but it's not really the issue. The issue is not being agile or responsive enough to make the deals sooner.

I don't believe that Sanchez was always destined for Barca. I think they are more prestigious than us, but that's not always upmost in a players mind. First impressions are everything, and urgency communicates to the player that they are being valued extremely highly by the pursuing club. If you say the wrong things in meetings with the player, if you put off making a concrete offer until the last minute, you've blown your chance to charm him, knock him off his feet and swoop him away.

The same goes for selling clubs. If you're a poker player you will know that the timing of the offer is everything. Wait just a little too long and the moment where the other guy wavers is gone. Then you have to resort to attrition, and it will either be extremely long and drawn out, and you will scarcely ever get a truly favourable deal.

Can't disagree with that.

But my question still applies... who have we missed out on?

I don't believe Sanchez was ever coming, but if you know different fair do's.

I'm not sure why I'm defending Cook and Marwood... if it was up to me at least one of these would have been gone by now!

But in the interests of fairness I don't see too much what they have done wrong this close season.

And anyway, we're getting really off topic now, because the original thread (and my response) was about Mancini's apparent irritation that he isn't getting what he wants... and as I've said, it's a bit ungrateful of him to criticise a club that has backed him so much so far.

Can we concentrate on that rather than transfer deals? They are a slightly different focus, and I'm sure Mancini's transfer deals will be fully scrutinised come September 1st. !

Must dash now, meal out with the missus at "the best Chinese restaurant" in Britain...

PS If "urgency" is an indicator of how highly a club values a transfer target... how does that work with Barca and Fabregas! ;-))

The one common factor in the Fabregas ands Nasri transfers is Arsenal.

 

[DaddyDaveedo]

He's increasingly becoming like a spoilt fucking child if you ask me. He's the most privileged manager in world football and half the time he acts like he's carrying a poison fucking chalice .

I sometimes think he plays on Abu dhabis, and cooks, lack of football experience.

OH stop your hate please, its get boring reading your posts about how much you hate Mancini! we all know that by now! if i were him and it was my ass on the line for being sacked if i not reach the club goals, i would do the same.

Its so damn pathetic that you cant support our manager, he toke us to 3rd and won the FA, but still you just moan and moan and moan.

Well put!! :-) as for the boss, I don't blame him for being annoyed, he did an amazing job last season with JOINT 2nd and the F.A cup. Ofcourse he's going to be annoyed at time wasting over a few mill when he wants to settle the new boy in.


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[Gelsons Dad]

i'm not sure why the comments merit such debate.

The seasons targets will have been agreed based on putting the squad in order.

Squad isn't in order so targets should be reassessed.

The discussion was led by the original question about this seasons targets based on the same question last year. Mancini preferred not to comment and then explained why.

I don't see the problem.

 

[Anonymous]

The reality is that whilst people continue to "blame" Cook and Marwood for Mancini's dissatisfaction, it is Khaldoun who ultimately makes financial/transfer decisions as he clearly stated in his end of season video. He also clearly stated that we would not be recruiting in the same way as we have done in the last couple of summers. This was completely at odds with what Mancini has said since...so it seems a touch unfair to be laying it all at the doorstep of the other two.<br /><br />-- Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:09 pm --<br /><br />

i'm not sure why the comments merit such debate.

The seasons targets will have been agreed based on putting the squad in order.

Squad isn't in order so targets should be reassessed.

The discussion was led by the original question about this seasons targets based on the same question last year. Mancini preferred not to comment and then explained why.

I don't see the problem.

You better sit down.

I agree with that 100%.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

The reality is that whilst people continue to "blame" Cook and Marwood for Mancini's dissatisfaction, it is Khaldoun who ultimately makes financial/transfer decisions as he clearly stated in his end of season video. He also clearly stated that we would not be recruiting in the same way as we have done in the last couple of summers. This was completely at odds with what Mancini has said since...so it seems a touch unfair to be laying it all at the doorstep of the other two.

-- Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:09 pm --

i'm not sure why the comments merit such debate.

The seasons targets will have been agreed based on putting the squad in order.

Squad isn't in order so targets should be reassessed.

The discussion was led by the original question about this seasons targets based on the same question last year. Mancini preferred not to comment and then explained why.

I don't see the problem.

You better sit down.

I agree with that 100%.

Summer of love!

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Mancini needs to stop moaning and making excuses like he did consistently last season.

 

[Anonymous]

Summer of love!

Holiday romances rarely last...so lets make the most of it...;- )

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Summer of love!

Holiday romances rarely last...so lets make the most of it...;- )

;-)

 

[BiBaBo]

Cook and Marwood are paid to get the best deals they can for City and if it means holding out for a couple more days to get Nasri for £2m less than Arsenal want then they've done their job well.

I'm sure that Bobby would have liked the new squad in place back in July but he'll have a long search if he thinks he'll find another club that'll back him like we have up 'til now.

 

[persvenality cult]

The reality is that whilst people continue to "blame" Cook and Marwood for Mancini's dissatisfaction, it is Khaldoun who ultimately makes financial/transfer decisions as he clearly stated in his end of season video. He also clearly stated that we would not be recruiting in the same way as we have done in the last couple of summers. This was completely at odds with what Mancini has said since...so it seems a touch unfair to be laying it all at the doorstep of the other two.

Well, yes, but I think it's gone something a little bit like this:

Khaldoon says, FFP coming, we must tighten up a bit.

He promises Mancini 30 + 5 to 10m for every player they get off the books, plus Aguero as a replacement for Tevez.

Mancini says, fine, 40m on Sanchez, I'll worry about the other positions later on.

Cook and Marwood aren't quite as fussed about Sanchez as Macini. They go in low, maybe don't do a good job selling the club to Sanchez, who senses a bit of reticence and suddenly realises that all along he wanted to be a squad player at Barca.

Mancini says, fucking great, he was the key to my plan.

Now Mancini, Cook and Marwood come up with Nasri. A similarly skilled player but with less potential and a completely different character. Sanchez is a little lion just like Silva, and plays wherever he is told. Nasri is a bad boy, and has already made a big fuss about his preferred position. Of course that's only significant to the manager, the CEO and Director are not concerned with the personalities and dynamics of the group.

Cook and Marwood are happy though; they are going back to their comfort zones; for Cook it's established big name players, for Marwood it's dealing with Arsenal.

If I was Mancini I'd think, hey, perhaps they wanted this all along.

And then they pay a huge amount in fees and wages.... and then they turn round and say to Mancini, sorry, no more money, because we didn't shift the last lot.

In principle Khaldoon's decision would have kept Mancini happy, but in practise....?

 

[blue dallas]

Mancini needs to stop moaning and making excuses like he did consistently last season.

are you BS & DD's adopted LOVE child ?

 

[Anonymous]

The reality is that whilst people continue to "blame" Cook and Marwood for Mancini's dissatisfaction, it is Khaldoun who ultimately makes financial/transfer decisions as he clearly stated in his end of season video. He also clearly stated that we would not be recruiting in the same way as we have done in the last couple of summers. This was completely at odds with what Mancini has said since...so it seems a touch unfair to be laying it all at the doorstep of the other two.

Well, yes, but I think it's gone something a little bit like this:

Khaldoon says, FFP coming, we must tighten up a bit.

He promises Mancini 30 + 5 to 10m for every player they get off the books, plus Aguero as a replacement for Tevez.

Mancini says, fine, 40m on Sanchez, I'll worry about the other positions later on.

Cook and Marwood aren't quite as fussed about Sanchez as Macini. They go in low, maybe don't do a good job selling the club to Sanchez, who senses a bit of reticence and suddenly realises that all along he wanted to be a squad player at Barca.

Mancini says, fucking great, he was the key to my plan.

Now Mancini, Cook and Marwood come up with Nasri. A similarly skilled player but with less potential and a completely different character. Sanchez is a little lion just like Silva, and plays wherever he is told. Nasri is a bad boy, and has already made a big fuss about his preferred position. Of course that's only significant to the manager, the CEO and Director are not concerned with the personalities and dynamics of the group.

Cook and Marwood are happy though; they are going back to their comfort zones; for Cook it's established big name players, for Marwood it's dealing with Arsenal.

If I was Mancini I'd think, hey, perhaps they wanted this all along.

And then they pay a huge amount in fees and wages.... and then they turn round and say to Mancini, sorry, no more money, because we didn't shift the last lot.

In principle Khaldoon's decision would have kept Mancini happy, but in practise....?

Well if Mancini hates it so much he can threaten to quit and go to Juve again...because as has been made abundantly clear...he doesn't have the 100% control he wants.

What you've posted above is wild speculation as you have no way of knowing how the Sanchez deal unfolded, nor do you have any way of knowing which player is who's target. You've done your best in this thread to paint Cook and Marwood as incompetent whilst holding Mancini up as a hard done by manager struggling to get the players he requires. I just don't see the situation like that at all.

If you want to talk about overpaying - Young has just gone for 20 million with a year left on his contract. Lukaku for 20 million and he's an 18 year old kid. Henderson for 20 million, Downing for more than that. You get my drift. Everyone's overpaying with the exception of Barcelona right now. That's why not just City, but everyone has been pretty circumspect when it comes to top end transfers.

You talk about Nasri as an alternative to Sanchez. Again, that's just nonsense when as you say yourself he has made it clear he wants to play in centre midfield to enhance his prospects with Les Bleus. Mancini will know this and will be signing him knowing this. Either he's being wilfully silly or he intends to play him in centre mid primarily.

The comfort zone comment bugs me as well. We signed Yaya, Silva, Balo, amongst others last season. Silva tied up quick smart. Yaya and Balo dragged on a little more because they share that slimy fucker as an agent. Plus again, we were dealing with big players coming from big clubs who were going to demand big money.

Anyway, this is mountains and molehills. Mancini knows the score because it was spelt out to him in AD...

 

[oakiecokie]

I can see the nasri deal going tits up. It's taking too long.

We haven't signed what we need to challenge for the title and Cook seems to be constantly trying to fck things up.

The only good news is that it looks like Tevez ain't going

I`ve just complemented someone on writing the best post on this thread.
Unfortunately this one of yours is without doubt the fooking worst by a long shot !!