persvenality cult
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Soulboy said:Chick Counterfly said:For goodness sakes man, they were the ones who did those deals in the first place! Some of which took a very long time.Soulboy said:How do you "get rid" of Bellamy, Adebayor and Bridge?
They're on huge contracts, they want paying off... are you suggesting we give them away on frees? Because that might just be the only way to get rid of them!
I would use Adebayor to get a player from Real, but clearly Mancini may be being inflexible in not wanting one of them!
But in terms of getting transfer fees for any of them, no one is biting. So what can the club do? Loan them out where we pay some of the wages. Are you amenable to that? Because if that is what they do then the new guy Williams will have failed!
And while you claim that Nasri is going to cost too much... how can that be when so far Arsenal have refused to sell him? If it was "too much" then Arsenal would have bitten our hands off. The fact they haven't suggest that they don't think it's "too much".
What do you think we should have signed Nasri for? Whatever the figure is it better match the valuation of Wenger otherwise he's not selling.
Like I say, unless someone can tell me players we have missed out on, or players we could have signed earlier, I'm not sure what else Cook and Marwood could have done.
Their job is to get the deal. No matter how long it takes. And that, to me, is far preferable to the previous arrangements when we signed players we can now not "get rid off"!
You can't tell me that giving Nasri 160k p/w makes any more sense than giving Ade 160 p/w did.
What's changed? Nothing.
I repeat my original question... who have we missed out on?
If you wanted Nasri in earlier, how much would you have paid for that privilege?
No point squealing that nothing's changed... what should have been done different?
You're making excuse after excuse, saying that because this is the way things worked out that is the proof there is no way they could have worked out any better.
I think our record speaks for itself. We still get some great players (like Tevez, Silva) but not the ultimate targets. We're still more concerned with general 'quality' than finding exact fits. We still win most deals by paying more than other clubs (Clichy for 2m more than Liverpool had agreed, just like Bellamy for 2m more than Tottenham had offered). We still pay considerably more wages than other clubs, so we will still have the same problems if Nasri and co don't work out. And we still haven't found any way to shift the unwanted players. We're still making structured proposals rather than deals. Yes, Utd and Real will wait for players but neither of those clubs would ever pay 24m for a player entering the last year of his contract.
Waiting for a player is fine, but it's not really the issue. The issue is not being agile or responsive enough to make the deals sooner.
I don't believe that Sanchez was always destined for Barca. I think they are more prestigious than us, but that's not always upmost in a players mind. First impressions are everything, and urgency communicates to the player that they are being valued extremely highly by the pursuing club. If you say the wrong things in meetings with the player, if you put off making a concrete offer until the last minute, you've blown your chance to charm him, knock him off his feet and swoop him away.
The same goes for selling clubs. If you're a poker player you will know that the timing of the offer is everything. Wait just a little too long and the moment where the other guy wavers is gone. Then you have to resort to attrition, and it will either be extremely long and drawn out, and you will scarcely ever get a truly favourable deal.