Mancini Press Conference

What problems do Barcelona and City share in the transfer market?
Answer: Arsenal!!!!!!!
There is a lot of unhealthy speculation on this thread. As a club we need to stick together. The majority of transfers in the Mancini era have been relatively trouble free. There is no evidence that the current transfer problems are caused from within.
Mancini is rightly keen to have all guns blazing from the first minute of the Swansea match.
 
Mancini should be more concerned about getting performances out of the players he has then harping on about the need for more players. Way I see it, if he has fallen out with marwood and cook then unfortunately he's going to be the loser. Not all of his previous buys have been huge sucesses either. Seems like if he buys someone and then it doesn't work out he immedietely wants someone else in. selling sweep for £3-£4 million is a joke when you see the prices we get quoted for players.
If it were me (and I know it's not) I would have bought 2 centre halfs and put Vinny back in the heart of our midfield. Then I think you'd see the monster that this great club could become.
 
B\connellblue said:
Mancini should be more concerned about getting performances out of the players he has then harping on about the need for more players. Way I see it, if he has fallen out with marwood and cook then unfortunately he's going to be the loser. Not all of his previous buys have been huge sucesses either. Seems like if he buys someone and then it doesn't work out he immedietely wants someone else in. selling sweep for £3-£4 million is a joke when you see the prices we get quoted for players.
If it were me (and I know it's not) I would have bought 2 centre halfs and put Vinny back in the heart of our midfield. Then I think you'd see the monster that this great club could become.


Can't agree.

Vinnie has been fantastic at CB, and Nigel the same as a defensive midfielder.
 
bowdonblue said:
B\connellblue said:
Mancini should be more concerned about getting performances out of the players he has then harping on about the need for more players. Way I see it, if he has fallen out with marwood and cook then unfortunately he's going to be the loser. Not all of his previous buys have been huge sucesses either. Seems like if he buys someone and then it doesn't work out he immedietely wants someone else in. selling sweep for £3-£4 million is a joke when you see the prices we get quoted for players.
If it were me (and I know it's not) I would have bought 2 centre halfs and put Vinny back in the heart of our midfield. Then I think you'd see the monster that this great club could become.


Can't agree.

Vinnie has been fantastic at CB, and Nigel the same as a defensive midfielder.
I agree with this it wasn't nigel I would have been swapping vinny for.
 
Fascinating interview. He's right to be pissed off - we played shite on sunday, and he has been set a target by the board who then havent(yet) delivered on the players he needs to achieve that target, and to be fair the questioners were pushing him on the issue.

He's a winner and knows what he wants. He delivered last year and will, if he gets the tools, deliver this. Forza Mancini.
 
Soulboy said:
Chick Counterfly said:
Who here can honestly say we're doing a particularly good job in negotiations?

While not the biggest fan of Cook and Marwood (I have constantly stated that Cook is not the right man for the job he is in and then had to suffer the barrage of "get behind the club" calls!), I'm not sure what else they could have done.

Suarez was always destined for Barca.

Nasri will only arrive once Wenger has stopped sulking... and that takes time!

Sneijder... has Mancini ever seriously claimed we want him?

Who else have we missed out on so far then?

Do we abandon the Nasri deal and go for a second choice? Surely it's better to be patient and get what you want?

Hasn't our transfer dealings over the past three years not been sufficient evidence of a flawed transfer policy? Maybe now the club have realised that there's no point anymore in getting in mercenaries or nearly-men.

And I would agree with that. I would be amazed if anyone thought differently, to be honest!
Suarez? Really?
 
SWP's back said:
Soulboy said:
Chick Counterfly said:
Who here can honestly say we're doing a particularly good job in negotiations?

While not the biggest fan of Cook and Marwood (I have constantly stated that Cook is not the right man for the job he is in and then had to suffer the barrage of "get behind the club" calls!), I'm not sure what else they could have done.

Suarez was always destined for Barca.

Nasri will only arrive once Wenger has stopped sulking... and that takes time!

Sneijder... has Mancini ever seriously claimed we want him?

Who else have we missed out on so far then?

Do we abandon the Nasri deal and go for a second choice? Surely it's better to be patient and get what you want?

Hasn't our transfer dealings over the past three years not been sufficient evidence of a flawed transfer policy? Maybe now the club have realised that there's no point anymore in getting in mercenaries or nearly-men.

And I would agree with that. I would be amazed if anyone thought differently, to be honest!
Suarez? Really?
somehow he found his way to us
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
All this nonsense about not getting transfer targets. Like some spoiled, rich, fat kids stamping their feet because Mummy & Daddy won't buy them a better version of something they bought them last week.

For one thing, who knows what our targets were. Players we wanted might not have been for sale, might not have wanted to come to us or, if they did, we couldn't agree terms.

I also happen to know a leading club's chief exec and an agent so I know how complex some negotiations are. Agents & players play clubs off against each other for one thing. Dealing with agents is also tricky. It's a murky world and negotiations can seem to be straightforward then mysterious parties appear out of the woodwork demanding a cut and City will not play that game.

Clubs will also play hardball, refusing to deal until they've got their own targets lined up and have to go through the same loops.

It's not like going into Selfridges, picking a shirt you like then paying at the till. City have a way of doing business, which the owners have laid down. If Mancini or any of you don't like it then too bad.


The suggestion that Mancini is a naif in the world of agents and transfers... let's just say it tickles me.

I'm not frustrated at the lack of star names, quite the opposite.

I'm annoyed that we never seem to take the chance on lesser players who can do a particular job, that we turn our noses up at the older guys who we will need as leaders. I'm frustrated that every player covers all the bases and is low risk, because I know this means they aren't taking the necessary chances, or paying enough attention to the subtleties of the mix.

I'm frustrated that we keep over paying. Not by a huge amount, but it's incessant. We play hardball, we never move too fast, yet we never truly come out on top. We certainly never get things done quickly.

I suppose, if you're right, and it's all the result of 'a system' that has been laid down by the owner, then it is just 'too bad'.

But it wouldn't change the fact that I, and most independent observers, think that the value of the deals resulting from the system compares badly with the rest of football.

Some of that is explained by the challenges of being too rich, but that's too easy an excuse when there are other concerns. My conclusion has to be that either the system is at fault or those implementing it are not performing correctly.

It's the same old crap. Manager knows exactly who he needs, he wants specific people to do specific jobs, specific characters to work together. He wants the mix to be perfect. Board wants big, recognisable names and young players (preferably with low risk attached), people who they can market, or make a profit on. Board usually wins; fans lap up the big names. Stupid fans, IMO.
 
Braggster said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
All this nonsense about not getting transfer targets. Like some spoiled, rich, fat kids stamping their feet because Mummy & Daddy won't buy them a better version of something they bought them last week.

For one thing, who knows what our targets were. Players we wanted might not have been for sale, might not have wanted to come to us or, if they did, we couldn't agree terms.

I also happen to know a leading club's chief exec and an agent so I know how complex some negotiations are. Agents & players play clubs off against each other for one thing. Dealing with agents is also tricky. It's a murky world and negotiations can seem to be straightforward then mysterious parties appear out of the woodwork demanding a cut and City will not play that game.

Clubs will also play hardball, refusing to deal until they've got their own targets lined up and have to go through the same loops.

It's not like going into Selfridges, picking a shirt you like then paying at the till. City have a way of doing business, which the owners have laid down. If Mancini or any of you don't like it then too bad.
By no means do I have a lot of sympathy for Mancini on this, but I think that post is a little naive. We're talking about a man who's spent 90% of his career in Italy, and managed Inter. I think he knows that these deals aren't straightforward. That does not mean that the club's executives have performed adequately or sensibly,or supported him adequately, though.
No it doesn't but these constant digs to the media about how he doesn't see eye-to-eye with C&M, wants total control, etc. are really starting to piss me off. If (hopefully when) he wins everything then I'd be happy to let him have it but he's got a long way to go before that so a little tactical humility would be in order. If Sheikh Mansour had said to him to go and get whoever he wants and Cook & Marwood were being obstructive then we'd see a swift resolution I suspect but that's seemingly not the case.

The club has to make progress on a number of fronts, including success on the field and greater commercial clout off it. The two are linked to a very great degree so the two parts of the organisation need to work together and we need stability in both. You'll always get some "creative tension" at the top of organisations but there are also constraints on any organisation and the biggest one we currently face is FFPR.

I was talking to a League 1 manager a couple of seasons ago and his attitude was "I'm a key executive in a company but I have to work to a budget and recognise that other people set that budget, not me." I agree we seem to have got ourselves into a bit of a mess salary wise, paying big numbers to players who perhaps would have settled for less at other clubs, some of who are surplus to requiremnents and aren't playing. But none of us know the real details of any player's contract so it's pointless speculating. When everything unwinds in a couple of seasons then I would expect our income to be able to comfortably cover our salaries and, as long as that happens, then individual contracts are largely irrelevant.
 
cityboy1 said:
SWP's back said:
Soulboy said:
While not the biggest fan of Cook and Marwood (I have constantly stated that Cook is not the right man for the job he is in and then had to suffer the barrage of "get behind the club" calls!), I'm not sure what else they could have done.

Suarez was always destined for Barca.

Nasri will only arrive once Wenger has stopped sulking... and that takes time!

Sneijder... has Mancini ever seriously claimed we want him?

Who else have we missed out on so far then?

Do we abandon the Nasri deal and go for a second choice? Surely it's better to be patient and get what you want?

Hasn't our transfer dealings over the past three years not been sufficient evidence of a flawed transfer policy? Maybe now the club have realised that there's no point anymore in getting in mercenaries or nearly-men.

And I would agree with that. I would be amazed if anyone thought differently, to be honest!
Suarez? Really?
somehow he found his way to us
Yes but Sanchez didn't. Methinks a poster got confused or forgot a fairly big transfer story.
 
Chick Counterfly said:
Of course it's wild speculation. I don't think Cook and Marwood are incompetent, but there are things about the situation that bother me.

The club appears to be run by committee. We're intransigent, inflexible, slow to react, still overpaying and too keen on established names.

Last summer we signed:

Balotelli (27 million + 120k p/w)
Silva (24 million + 120 p/w)
Kolarov (19 million + 90 p/w)
Yaya (27 million + 200 p/w)
Milner (16 million (p/e) + 90 p/w)
Boateng (10.5 million + 75 p/w)

In January:

Dzeko (27 million + 120 p/w)

So my question is - which of these signing for you seem to be part of an inflexible, intransigent, inflated etc system? (figures are of course based on reported figures)

I agree that the club is run by committee but this is simply an immovable reality. I don't believe there will ever be a time where Khaldoun will rely solely on the manager before making technical decisions.

To be clear I don't disagree that mistakes were made during Hughes' time in charge. This is born out in the fact that the players we signed back then are the ones we are struggling to shift. However Marwood's introduction was a reaction to this rather than the catalyst for this.

If the blame for all that lies with Khaldoon then so be it, the guy scrubs up well and gives a fantastic interview, but he's in charge of the whole shebang, and mistakes have been made. My gut feeling however is things a little further down the chain might not be ideal. Cook is clever, and has done well to modernise the image of the club, but the suspicion, that his vision of the club interferes with the optimal management at squad and team level, has never gone away.

The problem is you have no idea what Cook's vision of the club is beyond what the club tell us. I guess the implication you're making is that he sees big name 'marquee' players as integral to the vision, which isn't necessarily taking into account what the manager actually thinks or wants. However the facts simply don't bare this out. Balotelli, Silva, Yaya, Kolarov, Milner etc. I don't see a marquee name in there. I see a group of players who the manager would benefit from, and in some cases, the manager would know more about than Cook and Marwood. So I don't see where this suspicion you have comes from...

There's no speculating about the part IMO. Khaldoun runs the show. He approves targets, budgets, etc. which means that the buck stops with him, including the deals done during Hughes' time in charge.

It's just my opinion, but I'd say that the players bought post Hughes, for the most part, have been much better value for money.

I couldn't give a damn about Mancini, really. Sink or swim time for him. But what bothers me is that, if we fail, then the tendency is to blame it all upon that one guy. If that happens, I'll be distraught, not for the thought of poor Mancini the multimillionaire serial medal collector bit of a bastard handsome devil... but because the larger problems will remain. I can see the track record of others is pretty lacklustre, I can see why Mancini would draw attention to this.

If Mancini fails, it will not be for want of a squad with the requisite quality.

I was proud of that, because as I made it, I realised it was absolutely true in the case of Nasri (who, for what it's worth, has never convinced me in the centre of the park).

The worrying thing about what that implies, is that Mancini is either a) having a player imposed on him, or, b) you're a better judge of a player than our entire technical staff combined.
 
I'm a big supporter of Mancini but he sounds like an ass with these comments from today's press conference. Like he said, he knows its a difficult market, but he still has 20+ players at his disposal this month.
 
Can we not have one bloody season where are all behind the manager, hughes split the fans mancni splits the fans, isn't it about time we all pulled together. I was and still am to a degree a Mancini sceptic but I reckon he's well earned the chance to be left to do things his way. Cook and marwood whom both I admire lay down the requirements for last season and Mancini pissed it, I for one think he'll go on again given total support from the owner, the CEO and the fans on here.

These splits in the fan base does the club no favours at all, as we all know the press are desperate to find negatives about us, derail us, well let's not give a fucking thing they can turn on us.

A season, that's all I ask.
 
de niro said:
Can we not have one bloody season where are all behind the manager, hughes split the fans mancni splits the fans, isn't it about time we all pulled together. I was and still am to a degree a Mancini sceptic but I reckon he's well earned the chance to be left to do things his way. Cook and marwood whom both I admire lay down the requirements for last season and Mancini pissed it, I for one think he'll go on again given total support from the owner, the CEO and the fans on here.

Mancini has split the fans like Hughes? I couldn't disagree more. I know several Blues who don't like his defensive football or his cocksure arrogance - but, fuck me, to suggest he's got his detractors akin to the Hughes Outers is so so wrong. I hope we never see anything like that again.

Cook is a PR disaster who had to be told to stop giving the press ammunition and Marwood is his old Buddy at Nike who Cook found a new job for. Cook has done well behind the scenes but Marwood is completely out of his depth and needs to leave.
 
peoffrey said:
de niro said:
Can we not have one bloody season where are all behind the manager, hughes split the fans mancni splits the fans, isn't it about time we all pulled together. I was and still am to a degree a Mancini sceptic but I reckon he's well earned the chance to be left to do things his way. Cook and marwood whom both I admire lay down the requirements for last season and Mancini pissed it, I for one think he'll go on again given total support from the owner, the CEO and the fans on here.

Mancini has split the fans like Hughes? I couldn't disagree more. I know several Blues who don't like his defensive football or his cocksure arrogance - but, fuck me, to suggest he's got his detractors akin to the Hughes Outers is so so wrong. I hope we never see anything like that again.

Cook is a PR disaster who had to be told to stop giving the press ammunition and Marwood is his old Buddy at Nike who Cook found a new job for. Cook has done well behind the scenes but Marwood is completely out of his depth and needs to leave.

Marwood is a tough cookie so don't underestimate him or his standing in our club. Mancini has split the fans, just like hughes just like Pearce, it's time city fans just sat back and enjoyed the ride, let our manager get on with it.
 
I really do like Mancini but let's all be honest here if he is going to feed such quotes to the press it will be his biggest downfall, you do not give the media reason to create friction and stories regarding the board and a manager.

Secondly he needs to understand the acquisition of a player depends on more than one party, do you see Villas-Boas having a go at Cheslea over the Modric transfer, answer no. Mancini needs to shut up and get on with Mondays game and stop worrying about the "three games in August".
 
I'm a novice when it comes to posting but I've gawked on this forum plenty enough to offer this opinion on what I think is a pretty crucial conversation going on here: you know what some folk have said about those twats busting up our cities last week - the problem is they all think they should have it NOW; no hard work, no patience, no knuckling down and making the best of what you've got. Just give it to me now or I'll kick off. Well, that's how some in our beautiful club are now acting - fans and manager too. To me, it's not City's style. I'd love us and RM to just make it happen through application, team spirit and sheer bloody-mindedness as opposed to this idea of having to have all the shiny baubles or there is no Christmas. Sorry i went on a bit there!
 
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/12/roberto-mancini-manchester-city-samir-nasri" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... amir-nasri</a>

Roberto Mancini has renewed his criticisms of the Manchester City board, describing himself as "worried" going into the new season because of the club's inability to conclude their transfer business earlier in the summer.

Samir Nasri's proposed transfer from Arsenal would once again establish City as the biggest transfer-window spenders in English football, with a net spend in excess of £60m. Mancini, however, is becoming increasingly impatient with the length of time it is taking for his squad to be completed.

The Italian had expected Nasri to be confirmed before Friday's registration point to play against Swansea on Monday, and he still wants at least one more signing. "Last year was the same too," he said. "I don't understand this. I thought we could get all the players we needed three or four weeks ago. But here we are and the deals aren't closed.

"We need this player [Nasri]. I asked for this player two months ago. I'm worried because I don't have this player today and I probably won't have him tomorrow. We play three games in August and I am worried."

The Nasri deal has been held up because the clubs are arguing about the structure of the payments for a deal that would cost City in the region of £23m.

It has been a complex process – Arsenal began the summer by stating unequivocally that Nasri would not be sold to an English rival – and the fact the London club are now willing to sell could be construed as a personal triumph for the City chief executive, Garry Cook, and the football administrator, Brian Marwood. But Mancini's relationship with the two men has been fractious at times over the summer and he remains unsatisfied.

"I haven't spoken with Garry or Brian, so I don't know the situation," Mancini continued. "I hope that we can get the players I asked for two months ago. Monday is the start of the season for us and we have not completed our team. I hope we can do this very quickly because we need other players."

One of those might be Alessio Cerci, the Fiorentina winger. "Cerci is a good player," Mancini said. "He is young and he could be an option but there are other players."

The City manager expects Carlos Tevez to stay at the club, pointing out "it is going to be difficult for him to leave (because) there isn't a team that wants to take him." Tevez, he said, was "not 100%" after being given extra time to recover from the Copa América and will not be ready to start against Swansea, and the same applies to Sergio Agüero, the £38m signing from Atlético Madrid. "Sergio is getting better but he is not ready to play a full game. Maybe he can play 40 or 45 minutes. The season is long and it's important for him to find his fitness."

As for the lingering question of the City captaincy, Mancini was asked whether he should give it to Vincent Kompany on a permanent basis now it is clear Tevez is at the club against his will. "I will decide this, not anyone else. I've made my decision but I haven't told the players and when Carlos next plays you will see who is the captain. Right now, it's not important. It's more important to get in the new players we need."
 
every top winning club is based on 3 things :

1) a great owner

2) a great CEO

3) a great manager

ATM i'd say City owner is every's football fans dream , mancini's a proven serial winner , unfortunally i dont know what has Cook achieved in the football world and so what prestige he has got
 

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