Mancini should recieve more credit.

[Dribble]

And I laugh at your bilious post, in which the only fact is that we won the League; the rest being just your opinion which is no more a fact than mine.

You seem to be trying to claim that Mancini made no mistakes. You can't be serious! The season was littered with them. If not for that, with these players, we would have sailed away with a year when our competitors were hampered by injuries and lack of cash for transfers, instead of us being on the rack until the final minute.

Mate you're obviously orbiting the planet Zog somewhere in deep space with comments like 'You seem to be trying to claim that Mancini made no mistakes. You can't be serious! The season was littered with them.' Which top flight team in history has ever gone a whole season with a perfect record? Are you for real?

Our record last season was far from perfect, but it was more perfect than 19 other teams in the Premiership hence Champ16ns 2011-2012!!!

As for injuries, we had loads and suspension and the ACN to deal with which didn't affect ManUre!!! So what if we've got the better medical team.... Once again wasn't our once attrocious injury record one of the first things that Mancini complained about and changed because he was so concerned about it? Yup I recall all the threads about Mancini getting rid of time served Manchester City medical staff and bringing in his own from Italy, and now we're reaping the benefits of Mancini's wisdom you're calling us lucky? You're fuckin nuts mate, nuts I tell ya!!!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've been on the pop.

For a start, I wasn't talking, as you seem to think, about our record through the season; I was talking about management mistakes. Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.

In your last paragraph, you complain about the injuries which we sustained and then go on to praise Mancini for the good job he has done in preventing them! Confused or what?

After listening to your confusing crap could anyone blame me if I resorted to the sauce?

1. What management mistakes?

2. Pray tell which other club didn't make 'management mistakes'?

3. 'Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.' And this had nothing to do with the man who trains and selects the players?

4. You can do a lot to prevent some injuries, but my reference to injuries in this specific case was in reference as to how long players are out for once injured. We had significantly less down-time than most but yet you attribute this to luck rather than the skill of our backroom staff & medical team... so the only confused person here is you!!

In future please engage your brain before you type.... Thanks in advance.

 

[edgecroft]

And I laugh at your bilious post, in which the only fact is that we won the League; the rest being just your opinion which is no more a fact than mine.

You seem to be trying to claim that Mancini made no mistakes. You can't be serious! The season was littered with them. If not for that, with these players, we would have sailed away with a year when our competitors were hampered by injuries and lack of cash for transfers, instead of us being on the rack until the final minute.

Mate you're obviously orbiting the planet Zog somewhere in deep space with comments like 'You seem to be trying to claim that Mancini made no mistakes. You can't be serious! The season was littered with them.' Which top flight team in history has ever gone a whole season with a perfect record? Are you for real?

Our record last season was far from perfect, but it was more perfect than 19 other teams in the Premiership hence Champ16ns 2011-2012!!!

As for injuries, we had loads and suspension and the ACN to deal with which didn't affect ManUre!!! So what if we've got the better medical team.... Once again wasn't our once attrocious injury record one of the first things that Mancini complained about and changed because he was so concerned about it? Yup I recall all the threads about Mancini getting rid of time served Manchester City medical staff and bringing in his own from Italy, and now we're reaping the benefits of Mancini's wisdom you're calling us lucky? You're fuckin nuts mate, nuts I tell ya!!!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've been on the pop.

For a start, I wasn't talking, as you seem to think, about our record through the season; I was talking about management mistakes. Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.

In your last paragraph, you complain about the injuries which we sustained and then go on to praise Mancini for the good job he has done in preventing them! Confused or what?

You're view is wrong. Mancini Proved it.

Too bad.

Hahahahaha! Woohoo!

 

[remoh]

Mate you're obviously orbiting the planet Zog somewhere in deep space with comments like 'You seem to be trying to claim that Mancini made no mistakes. You can't be serious! The season was littered with them.' Which top flight team in history has ever gone a whole season with a perfect record? Are you for real?

Our record last season was far from perfect, but it was more perfect than 19 other teams in the Premiership hence Champ16ns 2011-2012!!!

As for injuries, we had loads and suspension and the ACN to deal with which didn't affect ManUre!!! So what if we've got the better medical team.... Once again wasn't our once attrocious injury record one of the first things that Mancini complained about and changed because he was so concerned about it? Yup I recall all the threads about Mancini getting rid of time served Manchester City medical staff and bringing in his own from Italy, and now we're reaping the benefits of Mancini's wisdom you're calling us lucky? You're fuckin nuts mate, nuts I tell ya!!!

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've been on the pop.

For a start, I wasn't talking, as you seem to think, about our record through the season; I was talking about management mistakes. Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.

In your last paragraph, you complain about the injuries which we sustained and then go on to praise Mancini for the good job he has done in preventing them! Confused or what?

After listening to your confusing crap could anyone blame me if I resorted to the sauce?

1. What management mistakes?

2. Pray tell which other club didn't make 'management mistakes'?

3. 'Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.' And this had nothing to do with the man who trains and selects the players?

4. You can do a lot to prevent some injuries, but my reference to injuries in this specific case was in reference as to how long players are out for once injured. We had significantly less down-time than most but yet you attribute this to luck rather than the skill of our backroom staff & medical team... so the only confused person here is you!!

In future please engage your brain before you type.... Thanks in advance.

Point 1
As I've said before, I won't attack the man who managed the team which won the league - although the tone of some on this thread has led me a little in that direction. If you are interested, go through my old posts.

Point 2 (another of your red herrings)
Other managers mistakes have nothing to do with this.

Point 3
Again, I never said that. Mancini gave them fitness and grit, no argument, but at times, team selection has definitely cost us.


Point 4
You can't have it both ways. Either injuries were a drain on our efforts or they were not.
I never mentioned luck, by the way; this is just another bit of dishonest sophistry on your part. If you can't debate honestly, you should give up.

These things are much easier when you're sober. Try it sometime.

 

[george22]

Mancini has learned much this year.
1) Don't say "He will never play here again" .
2) Mario Ballotelli is only worried about Mario Ballotelli.
3) Arguero and Tevez could be really good in tandem...
unless a header is the only way to score.
4) Silva and YaYa could sure use some rest during the season.
5) Utilize substitutes early to rest some starters.
(the number of CL and FA matches will double next year)
6) Vincent Kompany has to stay healthy.

Roberto is passionate and that fire can burn sometimes.
But that is a price I'm willing to pay.
Would rather have the Passion.
They all came along way this year. I would like to see all the boys back next year.

 

[Dribble]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've been on the pop.

For a start, I wasn't talking, as you seem to think, about our record through the season; I was talking about management mistakes. Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.

In your last paragraph, you complain about the injuries which we sustained and then go on to praise Mancini for the good job he has done in preventing them! Confused or what?

After listening to your confusing crap could anyone blame me if I resorted to the sauce?

1. What management mistakes?

2. Pray tell which other club didn't make 'management mistakes'?

3. 'Our players overcame a lot in my view and they and our owners deserve a good deal of the credit for our success.' And this had nothing to do with the man who trains and selects the players?

4. You can do a lot to prevent some injuries, but my reference to injuries in this specific case was in reference as to how long players are out for once injured. We had significantly less down-time than most but yet you attribute this to luck rather than the skill of our backroom staff & medical team... so the only confused person here is you!!

In future please engage your brain before you type.... Thanks in advance.

Point 1
As I've said before, I won't attack the man who managed the team which won the league - although the tone of some on this thread has led me a little in that direction. If you are interested, go through my old posts.

Point 2 (another of your red herrings)
Other managers mistakes have nothing to do with this.

Point 3
Again, I never said that. Mancini gave them fitness and grit, no argument, but at times, team selection has definitely cost us.


Point 4
You can't have it both ways. Either injuries were a drain on our efforts or they were not.
I never mentioned luck, by the way; this is just another bit of dishonest sophistry on your part. If you can't debate honestly, you should give up.

These things are much easier when you're sober. Try it sometime.

Point 1
You say ' I won't attack the man who managed the team which won the league - although the tone of some on this thread has led me a little in that direction.' - You can't hide what's in your heart and mind, but fair play to you for trying...

Point 2
Other managers mistakes have everything to do with this. Why do you believe that our leader is the only manager who should not make mistakes and deserves critisism for doing so? Why pick on Roberto, does your wife want to run away with him or something?

Point 3
'Mancini gave them fitness and grit' - What, no tactical advice or playing philosophy either? I suppose the players just get picked and then just do as they like once they cross the white line..... You say 'his team selection has definitely cost us' - cost us what, the title? I suppose injuries, unjust dismissals, subsequent suspensions, Tevez going AWOL, fatigue, loss of form, ACN has nothing to do with team selection eh?

Point 4
Yes injuries were a drain on our efforts but there is a caveat as I've explained. Any injury will affect a squad, but the EPL injury index has shown that we suffered from less down-time per injured player than any other team which is a major credit to our medical staff, but the caveat is that we had the smallest registered squad in the Premier League which in itself negated the reduced player per player down-time as we had less options to replace the said injured players. I don't expect you to understand, and frankly I couldn't care less if you don't, but one word of advice fella, quit before you dig yourself so deep into that hole of your own making that you emerge in Australia!!

Finally, I apologise for asking you to engage your brain before you type because as your fallow replies have proved, you are obviously deceased from the neck up and not cerebrally challenged as first suspected....... Soz :-)

 

[bluemoondays]

Every manager makes team selection mistakes, tactics mistakes, a crap signing or two (or more) and substitution mistakes over the course of a season or two. What counts at the end of the day is what the team has achieved.

The proof whether someone is a 'good' manager is based upon their team's performance relative to other clubs in a similar position and expectations. Yes, he's spent a load of money but so have other clubs and we've ended up with 2 trophies in 2 and 1/2 season and a gnats whisker away from a 3rd.

BM has now, over two and a half seasons, taken us from 5th to 3rd to 1st -if that isn't progress and the sign of a good manager then I don't know what is? Also we've had the best defensive record for two season running, Joe has pisked up the Golden Gloves award for the same time, this season we also scored the most goals as well as being undefeated at home for over a season now. Along the way we've picked up an FA Cup and barring suspensions/
injuries/ACON etc we'd have done the double this year with the Carling Cup. If someone had offered any City fan this 3-4 years ago we'd have bitten their hands off - and not whinged about being 'lucky', or should have done better, or what he should have done with the money he's spent or all the other bullshit comments I keep seeing.

None of these achievements can be put down to luck over a 38 game season or 2 and half season career, for every bit of 'luck' we've had we've also probably had the corresponding pice of 'unluck' to balance it out.

For every tactical or substitution etc 'error' he may have made at the end of the day it is only the watchers opinion that if he had done XYZ instead we would have won (or not drawn) the particular match in question. There is NOTHING to prove that if we had approached a game or substitution differently that the result would have been better than what we got - just your opinion.

Unless you can prove in an alternate universe that we hired another manager and we went on to win the CL and numerous other exra trophies then all we have is your opinion that this would have happened - it's unlikely, but even Mourinho could have come here and crashed and burned - no-one will ever know for certain.

BM has proved he has got what it takes to take City to the top so you can take your Mourinho's, Van Gaal's, Hiddinks, Capello's etc and ram them where the sun doesn't shine because there is no guarantee that any of them could have done better, just an opinion. People can go on having their opinions, I'll just be happy knowing we've got a manager who is delivering us silverware on a regular basis.

 

[Oystercatcher28]

I know he has been backed within the transfer market to a considerable extent but he is still required to select the correct team and enforce the correct tactics.

I do not feel he received the recognition that he deserves for how he converted Yaya into an offensive role despite many, myself included, perceiving him as a defensive midfielder upon arrival. That has played a huge part in our success over the past two seasons and yet this has not been praised within the media as the return of Scholes would have been had the rags won the title.

He has won the FA Cup & the premier league title. What more do they want him to do? Win the Champions League at the first attempt upon our virgin voyage within the competition when normally 10 points would be enough to qualify for the knockout stages in a group involving the Champions League finalists?

he will be backed, he has changed the squad to his own - even with inherited signings

 

[MattyBlue20]

People forget that he is still fairly young for a manager and is still learning,he also had to learn about the premier league which is the toughest in the world.Other league's may have more quality but every team can turn another over in this league,that isn't the case in the Spanish or Italian leagues.

He has rooted out the lazy,the feckless and the prima donna's and dealt with some really difficult situations on the whole well.He has turned this squad into a team of fighters who never know when they are beaten,with a great spirit.

His dealing with the pressure and the media when we were eight points behind was a masterclass of coolness personified.He is a driven,ruthless winner and i am glad he is at the helm.

Only this.

Too right! many people thought he was losing his cool, when he was playing it. After the Arsenal game, papers wrote 1000's of words but the attitude he installed in players, like Yaya, Zab and Vinnie was excellent. For that, I am forever grateful.

 

[Dribble]

Every manager makes team selection mistakes, tactics mistakes, a crap signing or two (or more) and substitution mistakes over the course of a season or two. What counts at the end of the day is what the team has achieved.

The proof whether someone is a 'good' manager is based upon their team's performance relative to other clubs in a similar position and expectations. Yes, he's spent a load of money but so have other clubs and we've ended up with 2 trophies in 2 and 1/2 season and a gnats whisker away from a 3rd.

BM has now, over two and a half seasons, taken us from 5th to 3rd to 1st -if that isn't progress and the sign of a good manager then I don't know what is? Also we've had the best defensive record for two season running, Joe has pisked up the Golden Gloves award for the same time, this season we also scored the most goals as well as being undefeated at home for over a season now. Along the way we've picked up an FA Cup and barring suspensions/
injuries/ACON etc we'd have done the double this year with the Carling Cup. If someone had offered any City fan this 3-4 years ago we'd have bitten their hands off - and not whinged about being 'lucky', or should have done better, or what he should have done with the money he's spent or all the other bullshit comments I keep seeing.

None of these achievements can be put down to luck over a 38 game season or 2 and half season career, for every bit of 'luck' we've had we've also probably had the corresponding pice of 'unluck' to balance it out.

For every tactical or substitution etc 'error' he may have made at the end of the day it is only the watchers opinion that if he had done XYZ instead we would have won (or not drawn) the particular match in question. There is NOTHING to prove that if we had approached a game or substitution differently that the result would have been better than what we got - just your opinion.

Unless you can prove in an alternate universe that we hired another manager and we went on to win the CL and numerous other exra trophies then all we have is your opinion that this would have happened - it's unlikely, but even Mourinho could have come here and crashed and burned - no-one will ever know for certain.

BM has proved he has got what it takes to take City to the top so you can take your Mourinho's, Van Gaal's, Hiddinks, Capello's etc and ram them where the sun doesn't shine because there is no guarantee that any of them could have done better, just an opinion. People can go on having their opinions, I'll just be happy knowing we've got a manager who is delivering us silverware on a regular basis.

^^^This^^^

 

[Blue Theatre]

I can't help thinking that if things had been reversed, and United had been 8 pts behind with 6 games to go, and Fergie had managed to turn it around and win the title for United ... then the entire worldwide media would be hailing "Sir Alex" as a tactical genius and master of the "mind games", they'd be in awe at his ability to motivate his players, and be hailing him as one of the greatest managers ever.

When Mancini does it, they just say "Well, he almost blew it" and give "Manager of the season" to Alan Pardew.

So I think Roberto does deserve more credit that he has been given. Lets hope he gets it over the next few seasons.