Mancini v Pellegrini so far ......

[Dribble]

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So far Mancini gets it, Pellers not far away though

I think a better comparison would be the stats from the first 15 games of the Premiership winning season.

Whatever it shows, it makes little difference. Mancini is gone & Pelligrini is insitu.

If there is one glaring difference I've seen is that tactically we've gone backwards. Surely we've put most teams to the sword at home, but over all we don't look nowhere as solid as we used to and we look more vulnerable defensively.

4-4-2 is thrilling at home but looking naive away from home. We don't seem to dominate and control games from the first to last minute like we used to under Mancini and I believe this is because of the change of formation.

Given the choice, I'd sacrifice 6-0 home wins against Spurs for a 3-0 win and to throttle the life out of them, whilst never giving them a sniff at our goal and giving them less than 30% possession.

4-4-2 is thrilling, but the question remains will we actually win anything with our current throw-back to the 70's formation and tactics. From what I've seen, against the better sides away from home we're going to strruggle like we did against Bayern........

 

[TGR]

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So far Mancini gets it, Pellers not far away though

I think a better comparison would be the stats from the first 15 games of the Premiership winning season.

Whatever it shows, it makes little difference. Mancini is gone & Pelligrini is insitu.

If there is one glaring difference I've seen is that tactically we've gone backwards. Surely we've put most teams to the sword at home, but over all we don't look nowhere as solid as we used to and we look more vulnerable defensively.

4-4-2 is thrilling at home but looking naive away from home. We don't seem to dominate and control games from the first to last minute like we used to under Mancini and I believe this is because of the change of formation.

Given the choice, I'd sacrifice 6-0 home wins against Spurs for a 3-0 win and to throttle the life out of them, whilst never giving them a sniff at our goal and giving them less than 30% possession.

4-4-2 is thrilling, but the question remains will we actually win anything with our current throw-back to the 70's formation and tactics. From what I've seen, against the better sides away from home we're going to strruggle like we did against Bayern........

This and this again and again!

I agree entirely. The gung ho, put them to the sword type of football is as exiciting as it worrying.
Football is a game about BOTH attack and defence. Defending is an art form also. I enjoy watching
superb defending as well as superb attacking football.

People laugh when I say the football we are playing is Keeganesque but its true. We will thrill, we will excite, we will
win most home games by big scores. But will this type of football actually win us any trophies?
I genuinely have my doubts.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

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So far Mancini gets it, Pellers not far away though

I think a better comparison would be the stats from the first 15 games of the Premiership winning season.

Whatever it shows, it makes little difference. Mancini is gone & Pelligrini is insitu.

If there is one glaring difference I've seen is that tactically we've gone backwards. Surely we've put most teams to the sword at home, but over all we don't look nowhere as solid as we used to and we look more vulnerable defensively.

4-4-2 is thrilling at home but looking naive away from home. We don't seem to dominate and control games from the first to last minute like we used to under Mancini and I believe this is because of the change of formation.E

Given the choice, I'd sacrifice 6-0 home wins against Spurs for a 3-0 win and to throttle the life out of them, whilst never giving them a sniff at our goal and giving them less than 30% possession.

4-4-2 is thrilling, but the question remains will we actually win anything with our current throw-back to the 70's formation and tactics. From what I've seen, against the better sides away from home we're going to strruggle like we did against Bayern........

Eh I can remember countless times we got dominated on the road, Swansea, Southampton, Everton, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs not forgetting our form in Europe.

Furthermore its a bit unfair to compare the first 15 games of title winning season to the present season. August to late Nov of 2011-2012 season was Mancini golden period, the other 3 years our form was always hit and miss considering the quality of the squad. Pellegrini has been been here for less than half the season, we're a game from a semi final, through to the CL finally and battered some great sides by unimaginable scorelines. Away form is a concern but the results are improving.

 

[Dribble]

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Last season P15 W9 D6 L0 points 33...GF28 GA11 +17
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So far Mancini gets it, Pellers not far away though

I think a better comparison would be the stats from the first 15 games of the Premiership winning season.

Whatever it shows, it makes little difference. Mancini is gone & Pelligrini is insitu.

If there is one glaring difference I've seen is that tactically we've gone backwards. Surely we've put most teams to the sword at home, but over all we don't look nowhere as solid as we used to and we look more vulnerable defensively.

4-4-2 is thrilling at home but looking naive away from home. We don't seem to dominate and control games from the first to last minute like we used to under Mancini and I believe this is because of the change of formation.E

Given the choice, I'd sacrifice 6-0 home wins against Spurs for a 3-0 win and to throttle the life out of them, whilst never giving them a sniff at our goal and giving them less than 30% possession.

4-4-2 is thrilling, but the question remains will we actually win anything with our current throw-back to the 70's formation and tactics. From what I've seen, against the better sides away from home we're going to strruggle like we did against Bayern........

Eh I can remember countless times we got dominated on the road, Swansea, Southampton, Everton, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs not forgetting our form in Europe.

Furthermore its a bit unfair to compare the first 15 games of title winning season to the present season. August to late Nov of 2011-2012 season was Mancini golden period, the other 3 years our form was always hit and miss considering the quality of the squad. Pellegrini has been been here for less than half the season, we're a game from a semi final, through to the CL finally and battered some great sides by unimaginable scorelines. Away form is a concern but the results are improving.

The reason I compared our title winning season is that I had a bad feeling about last season from the off. There was turmoil behind the scenes and we majorly messed up the summer transfer window, something which most fans believe we are still paying a price with the like of Garcia & Sinclair etc. It's easy to cherry-pick 5-6 games over a 3 year period where we were up against it, but I'm talking a specific like for like period.

I've seen enough over 15 league games to see where we're heading. I fully support MP as I have with all City managers, but my issue is that from what I've seen of this season so far strategies & tactics seem to have been ditched for a Keegan-esque optimistic ideology of all out attack & comical defending.

Yes we've been dominated in matches before MP and they were the exception rather than the away rule, but there's something different to the way we've been dominated this season....... We've been made to look distinctly ordinary by too many ordinary sides this season and even in matches where we've smashed the opposition, we've gone extended periods in those matches where we've looked all over the place like we had no plan or tactics and its our superior players that have won the day rather than tactical nous.

MP has stated today that he will not change his 4-4-2 philosophy & will dogmatically stick to it come what may. If that's his position then fine,what he needs to do is ensure our world-class squad understand fully what his tactics are & to ensure they carry out his instructions to the letter.

We've become used to tactics & formations, its the getting used to 4-4-2 come what may that is hard to adjust to for the players and fans alike.

 

[mammutly]

Pretty much a pointless argument now, but the way other teams have stuttered this season, I do think we would have been top of the league had we stuck with Mancini.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Pretty much a pointless argument now, but the way other teams have stuttered this season, I do think we would have been top of the league had we stuck with Mancini.

A nonsensical statement given he had lost the confidence and respect of a lot of his staff.

 

[Vic]

We've become used to tactics & formations, its the getting used to 4-4-2 come what may that is hard to adjust to for the players and fans alike.

The problem is that the opposition know what to adjust to and that whatever they do we won't change what we do. Now does that sound naive?

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

Pretty much a pointless argument now, but the way other teams have stuttered this season, I do think we would have been top of the league had we stuck with Mancini.

A nonsensical statement given he had lost the confidence and respect of a lot of his staff.

Correct.We were going backwards and a lot of his staff means a lot of the senior players.

 

[Dribble]

We've become used to tactics & formations, its the getting used to 4-4-2 come what may that is hard to adjust to for the players and fans alike.

The problem is that the opposition know what to adjust to and that whatever they do we won't change what we do. Now does that sound naive?

I suppose if we were Guardiola's Barca and had Messi, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Henry, Iniesta & Xavi, no matter what the opposition wanted to do it mostly wouldn't matter, but alas we haven't got that level of quality right through our team so tactical nous will play a major part in any success we have. Those away defeats that could have been draws, those draws that could have been away wins could prove very costly come May, that's why I for one don't take those results lightly.

A few things also baffle me;

Didn't Txiki say that we would be adopting a 4-3-3 formation from the under 6's through to the first team,so what happened to that?

Was it a condition of Pellegrini coming here that he did things his way?

So if this is the case, what happens to our holistic approachto playing matters now?

 

[OB1]

Pretty much a pointless argument now, but the way other teams have stuttered this season, I do think we would have been top of the league had we stuck with Mancini.

A nonsensical statement given he had lost the confidence and respect of a lot of his staff.

No one knows for sure what would have happened but to pretend that Mancini's relationship with the players would not have been an impediment and that City would have serenely strolled to the top of the league would be very hopeful thinking.