Mancini you are gutless

[SWP's back]

Hughes also didn't have a punishing Thursday-Sunday-Thursday European schedule to fit in.

Besides, looking at the points total itself doesn't tell the whole story, as the league is looking much more compact this year. The Premier League has been won with 75 points by United, and 95 points by Chelsea... so it shows the differentials that can happen. Indeed, Liverpool only came 4th a couple of seasons ago with 76 points. More than the 75 United have won it with. And when Everton qualified they did so with 61 points. So comparing points year on year can be a falsehood - comparing positions and relative proximity to other key teams is much more telling.

The Premierhsip is much tighter this season. The difference between 17th and 5th was 11 points this time last season. Now it's only 5.

It's crazy but I like it.

 

[joel the blue]

Much has been said about last nights performance. For my money we were rubbish, and the only person to blame is Mancini, is tactics are awful, i just wish someone wuld inform him that in England we dont play like they do in Italy.

 

[Anonymous]

Not when you consider Spurs and Pool are both doing even worse than last season and "clueless" only managed for half a season.

I would happily "settle" for 73-75 points now if you offered them, only a nutter would not I suspect.

Would you not?

Underestimating Spurs and Liverpool would be foolhardy in the extreme....as it is to try and use last season's head to head's as some sort of barometer for how much we've progressed or improved in the last 12 months...because they seem to show any improvement is marginal.

At the risk of repeating myself for the umpteenth time - we showed the exact same conservative safety first approach to last night's match as we have done countless times under Roberto. When it works (Chelsea) we all go "tactical genius"...

The question being avoided like the plague is: what does he have up his sleeve when it patently doesn't work (like last night)....settling for a point against anyone at home with the team we have is disappointing. Settling for it against the rags when they come to park the bus and take a point is bitterly disappointing.<br /><br />-- Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:26 pm --<br /><br />

I'm a Mancini fan but last night was a disgrace.

Heard a deluge of opinions since last night stating the same thing...not just on here, but on a couple of City mailing lists I'm on, from the other Blues in the pub last night...

 

[SWP's back]

Not when you consider Spurs and Pool are both doing even worse than last season and "clueless" only managed for half a season.

I would happily "settle" for 73-75 points now if you offered them, only a nutter would not I suspect.

Would you not?

Underestimating Spurs and Liverpool would be foolhardy in the extreme....as it is to try and use last season's head to head's as some sort of barometer for how much we've progressed or improved in the last 12 months...because they seem to show any improvement is marginal.

At the risk of repeating myself for the umpteenth time - we showed the exact same conservative safety first approach to last night's match as we have done countless times under Roberto. When it works (Chelsea) we all go "tactical genius"...

The question being avoided like the plague is: what does he have up his sleeve when it patently doesn't work (like last night)....settling for a point against anyone at home with the team we have is disappointing. Settling for it against the rags when they come to park the bus and take a point is bitterly disappointing.

I don't - I just say, bloody good result and we bullied the midfield.

But I agree, so far Mancini has not shown the ace up his sleve, the treble first half substitution during a first half a la Jose.. Time will have to tell but I can't sell a better alternative out there and I am so used to leaving a derby cursing a late winner for them that I was OK with a point (given the league position and results relative to ours).

 

[Anonymous]

But I agree, so far Mancini has not shown the ace up his sleve, the treble first half substitution during a first half a la Jose.. Time will have to tell but I can't sell a better alternative out there and I am so used to leaving a derby cursing a late winner for them that I was OK with a point (given the league position and results relative to ours).

And that my friend, in my opinion, after nearly a year in charge, is not good enough...hence the fear that we're going to struggle in the final third of the season...

Another thing I want to pick you up on...you keep going on about how "we" should have learned by now about sacking managers over the last 30 years....just out of curiousity, which of that list of umpteen sacked managers went on to prove we were wrong to sack him?

 

[robbieh]

Not when you consider Spurs and Pool are both doing even worse than last season and "clueless" only managed for half a season.

I would happily "settle" for 73-75 points now if you offered them, only a nutter would not I suspect.

Would you not?

Underestimating Spurs and Liverpool would be foolhardy in the extreme....as it is to try and use last season's head to head's as some sort of barometer for how much we've progressed or improved in the last 12 months...because they seem to show any improvement is marginal.

At the risk of repeating myself for the umpteenth time - we showed the exact same conservative safety first approach to last night's match as we have done countless times under Roberto. When it works (Chelsea) we all go "tactical genius"...

The question being avoided like the plague is: what does he have up his sleeve when it patently doesn't work (like last night)....settling for a point against anyone at home with the team we have is disappointing. Settling for it against the rags when they come to park the bus and take a point is bitterly disappointing.-- Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:26 pm --

I'm a Mancini fan but last night was a disgrace.

Heard a deluge of opinions since last night stating the same thing...not just on here, but on a couple of City mailing lists I'm on, from the other Blues in the pub last night...

Sometimes it is quite difficult to beat a Bolton or Blackburn when they come to park the bus. Even more so when, as you rightly point out, United do it. Because unlike Bolton or Blackburn, United can score from nothing. We didn't want that happening again. Hence the turgid game.

Lets see where we are at Christmas. After all Chelsea have Tottenham(away), United(home) and Arsenal(away) consecutively in December.

 

[mammutly]

I am certain that Mancini and his management team will analyse last nights performance in detail and the question of how it could have been better will be pretty much at the forefront of everyone's mind.

A lot of people are talking as if the idea that we might have won last nights game will not have crossed our manager's radar. You can be certain that it has.

 

[SWP's back]

But I agree, so far Mancini has not shown the ace up his sleve, the treble first half substitution during a first half a la Jose.. Time will have to tell but I can't sell a better alternative out there and I am so used to leaving a derby cursing a late winner for them that I was OK with a point (given the league position and results relative to ours).

And that my friend, in my opinion, after nearly a year in charge, is not good enough...hence the fear that we're going to struggle in the final third of the season...

Another thing I want to pick you up on...you keep going on about how "we" should have learned by now about sacking managers over the last 30 years....just out of curiousity, which of that list of umpteen sacked managers went on to prove we were wrong to sack him?

Very good point mate. Cannot argue with that. You have made me think. None.

(which if any mod is watching is how you debate as Billy has just shown by using reason, intelligence and persistance!)

I am still not pro or anti-Mancini, but I am happy so far with the table.

Could you answer my question a page or so back about taking this position and those teams relative to us back on Aug 1st for example, (what I am trying to get at is whether its what you have seen that puts you off or the results or both or neither).

 

[southamptonblue]

I am certain that Mancini and his management team will analyse last nights performance in detail and the question of how it could have been better will be pretty much at the forefront of everyone's mind.

A lot of people are talking as if the idea that we might have won last nights game will not have crossed our manager's radar. You can be certain that it has.

Far too much 'stating the obvious' in that thread......looks well out of place on this forum;)

 

[Mancio]

Much has been said about last nights performance. For my money we were rubbish, and the only person to blame is Mancini, is tactics are awful, i just wish someone wuld inform him that in England we dont play like they do in Italy.

you are so blue as my cock