Mancini

[OB1]

dave if you finish in the top 3 every year it means you are challenging for the title.you cant win it every year and if we had backed bobby in the summer(van persie)like fergie was backed who got all his targets we would be now 15 points clear.

Finishing top 3 doesnt mean we are challenging for the title as this seasons limp effort testifies.We should be pushing our rivals all the way to the final game.

Fergie got all his targets? how do you know? he certainly didnt get at least one - Hazard........

We didnt get RVP because Bobby had previously been given 90m to sign his other 3 strikers........ do you not think that was enough??

Another o.g. It wasn't enough for Ferguson, the book value of Utd's strikers is considerably greater than our own.

RVP
Rooney
Welbeck
Hernandez
Henriquez
Macheda
Bebe

O.G.

Give over: we started the season with:

Tevez
Mario
Kun
Dzeko

All bought at great expense.

Do you actually understand what book value means?

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Stay off those drugs mate, they are messing your head up.

So you don't think Martinez is a promising young manager? He is the guy that set Swansea on their way produced the model that Rodgers and Laudrup followed there.

I think anyone who would replace Mancini with Martinez would need to be sectioned.

I hate all this shit about how good a manager Martinez is, he is only capable of getting his team to perform for a quarter of the season & narrowly misses relegation every year.

He ain't spending millions and millions.....not that I'd want him at city...but he's done exactly what bobby has done for city this season.....got them to a semi final.....like a few keep saying they are happy with.

 

[FantasyIreland]

[RVP
Rooney
Welbeck
Hernandez
Henriquez
Macheda
Bebe

So,at the start of this season,which group of strikers would you have chosen to go with,theirs above or ours?

 

[jackrussel]

if bobby was backed last summer there would,nt have been any regression,lets hope he gets his targets next summer and we regain the lost momentum.

I've asked the question to many today and previously and non of the Mancini supporters have been able to provide a response. There has been an obvious problem - apparent since last season - still there today

How does Mancini address his obvious short comings. You press on about Ferguson - he has adapted over time since his first days in Scotland to what he is today - his players would run through brick walls for him.

Last season points from 26th Nov -
MCFC – 55 points – 26 games
MUFC – 60 Points – 26 games

more worryingly Our away form upto and inc QPR away
P - 6
W - 5
D - 1
Scored - 23
Against - 8

From then onwards
P - 13
W - 5
D - 3
L - 5
Scored - 15
Against - 9

This seasons away form has been just as poor

The reason I have chose QPR is that was the first time I saw a Prem team take on tactics from one of the opposition teams from the Champs League. High Press and quick attack - Usual teams Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland we still have Swansea to go to.

I may sound like a broken record - but it's there for all to see

It's a great post and highlights an even bigger point for me. In the whole of mancini's tenure we had one purple patch of about 25 games. It started with the FA cup semi final win over united in April 2011 and finished away at qpr at the beginning of November that same year. We had everyone available and rode the wave of confidence that huge win gave us. And it got us our two trophies.

For the entire rest of the 3.5 years he has been here we have been patchy and have rarely fulfilled our potential. Occasionally great, often laboured and sometimes very poor. With the quality we have had even that patchy form will pick us up plenty of points, but not As many as we should have.

So that's why all this 'one bad season' stuff doesn't wash with me. Overall Mancini hasn't got the best from his players consistently.

if we win the fa cup that means bobbys won a trophy every 10 months and if take out 6 months for close seasons that means bobbys won a trophy every 9 months,now thats what i call a purple patch so much better than that banner at old trafford.

 

[Marvin]

if bobby was backed last summer there would,nt have been any regression,lets hope he gets his targets next summer and we regain the lost momentum.

I've asked the question to many today and previously and non of the Mancini supporters have been able to provide a response. There has been an obvious problem - apparent since last season - still there today

How does Mancini address his obvious short comings. You press on about Ferguson - he has adapted over time since his first days in Scotland to what he is today - his players would run through brick walls for him.

Last season points from 26th Nov -
MCFC – 55 points – 26 games
MUFC – 60 Points – 26 games

more worryingly Our away form upto and inc QPR away
P - 6
W - 5
D - 1
Scored - 23
Against - 8

From then onwards
P - 13
W - 5
D - 3
L - 5
Scored - 15
Against - 9

This seasons away form has been just as poor

The reason I have chose QPR is that was the first time I saw a Prem team take on tactics from one of the opposition teams from the Champs League. High Press and quick attack - Usual teams Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland we still have Swansea to go to.

I may sound like a broken record - but it's there for all to see

It's a great post and highlights an even bigger point for me. In the whole of mancini's tenure we had one purple patch of about 25 games. It started with the FA cup semi final win over united in April 2011 and finished away at qpr at the beginning of November that same year. We had everyone available and rode the wave of confidence that huge win gave us. And it got us our two trophies.

For the entire rest of the 3.5 years he has been here we have been patchy and have rarely fulfilled our potential. Occasionally great, often laboured and sometimes very poor. With the quality we have had even that patchy form will pick us up plenty of points, but not As many as we should have.

So that's why all this 'one bad season' stuff doesn't wash with me. Overall Mancini hasn't got the best from his players consistently.

But he's got pretty close as evidenced by the trophies in the cabinet and our record this season. Yes form has dipped from an incredible high? Are you going to give him credit for that high, or only debit him for the dip since then?

You will get variations in form, that is part and parcel of the game. An obvious explanation being the missing players this season: Kompany, Aguero being the two major ones. We've also lost Mario and AJ who made major contributions last season. Garcia and Nasty have done well this season, but we wont see their best until they have been here for 12 months, that's usually the way with foreign signings.

The forward line has been decimated for various reasons, sort that out, keep Mancini and we will be the team to beat next season - providing Chelsea don't get Falcao. If we appoint someone like Laudrup we could quickly become another Blackburn, a one season wonder. There is that risk - and with FFP we might never get back in. That's way I am sure that unless we go into meltdown, and miss out on the Champions League, the owners will stand by mancini

 

[dancity19]

if bobby was backed last summer there would,nt have been any regression,lets hope he gets his targets next summer and we regain the lost momentum.

I've asked the question to many today and previously and non of the Mancini supporters have been able to provide a response. There has been an obvious problem - apparent since last season - still there today

How does Mancini address his obvious short comings. You press on about Ferguson - he has adapted over time since his first days in Scotland to what he is today - his players would run through brick walls for him.

Last season points from 26th Nov -
MCFC – 55 points – 26 games
MUFC – 60 Points – 26 games

more worryingly Our away form upto and inc QPR away
P - 6
W - 5
D - 1
Scored - 23
Against - 8

From then onwards
P - 13
W - 5
D - 3
L - 5
Scored - 15
Against - 9

This seasons away form has been just as poor

The reason I have chose QPR is that was the first time I saw a Prem team take on tactics from one of the opposition teams from the Champs League. High Press and quick attack - Usual teams Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland we still have Swansea to go to.

I may sound like a broken record - but it's there for all to see

It's a great post and highlights an even bigger point for me. In the whole of mancini's tenure we had one purple patch of about 25 games. It started with the FA cup semi final win over united in April 2011 and finished away at qpr at the beginning of November that same year. We had everyone available and rode the wave of confidence that huge win gave us. And it got us our two trophies.

For the entire rest of the 3.5 years he has been here we have been patchy and have rarely fulfilled our potential. Occasionally great, often laboured and sometimes very poor. With the quality we have had even that patchy form will pick us up plenty of points, but not As many as we should have.

So that's why all this 'one bad season' stuff doesn't wash with me. Overall Mancini hasn't got the best from his players consistently.

Exactly right. People forget about our poor run last year, and period of bad away form? In fact, in mancinis tenure, have we ever really been good away, apart from the start of last season.

That run did see two major trophies, and you can't take that away from him, and must congratulate him. Last season he gave us some great days, this season-virtually none.
The trophies were/are a brilliant achievement, but remember how close united took us. Where is that challenge from us this year?

It sounds a ridiculous thing to say, but those trophies just paper over significant cracks for some fans. I thought he had filled in those cracks last season, but clearly not. The trophies are brilliant, but unfortunately the same flaws are still there.

 

[FantasyIreland]

[I hate all this shit about how good a manager Martinez is, he is only capable of getting his team to perform for a quarter of the season & narrowly misses relegation every year.

Why are you so sure he couldnt do a better job that Mancini?

He has better man management,he's intelligent and tactically astute,plays attractive,attacking football,has an eye for talent and gets the best out of his budget players while continuing to punch above his weight.

Plenty of evidence to suggest he wouldnt do worse.

 

[kaz7]

[RVP
Rooney
Welbeck
Hernandez
Henriquez
Macheda
Bebe

So,at the start of this season,which group of strikers would you have chosen to go with,theirs above or ours?

If i had known serg would get injured in the 1st few minutes and mario would continue to be a knob id have taken theirs,but without a crystal ball..

 

[FantasyIreland]

Karen,every day of the week,you would choose ours,as anyone on planet Earth would........

 

[kaz7]

[I hate all this shit about how good a manager Martinez is, he is only capable of getting his team to perform for a quarter of the season & narrowly misses relegation every year.

Why are you so sure he couldnt do a better job that Mancini?

He has better man management,he's intelligent and tactically astute,plays attractive,attacking football,has an eye for talent and gets the best out of his budget players while continuing to punch above his weight.

Plenty of evidence to suggest he wouldnt do worse.

punching above his weight would have wigan comfortably mid table woudlnt it?<br /><br />-- Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:43 pm --<br /><br />

[I hate all this shit about how good a manager Martinez is, he is only capable of getting his team to perform for a quarter of the season & narrowly misses relegation every year.

Why are you so sure he couldnt do a better job that Mancini?

He has better man management,he's intelligent and tactically astute,plays attractive,attacking football,has an eye for talent and gets the best out of his budget players while continuing to punch above his weight.

Plenty of evidence to suggest he wouldnt do worse.

punching above his weight would have wigan comfortably mid table woudlnt it?

p,s if i could transplant all of what you say above with a proven winner that is mancini i would!