Mancini

[OB1]

Not if it costs you the League title, UCL post group stage participation....

Is RM's man management the sole reason we won't win the league, or didn't get out of the group stages?

Has his man management approach changed since we won the league 10 months ago?

Or is there a little bit more to it?

Having said that, if RM's man management style is so damaging we'll fail again next season and he will be on his way. But it will be results, and not perceptions of his man management style that will cause his success or downfall. If we win the league and champions league I doubt there will be more than 2 or 3 that will give a toss if he has a go at Nasri in public.

Well, you've changed tack slightly there from the point that I was answering and I am short on time so I'll restrict myself to this comment.

I don't think Mancini gets the best out of his resources and, with the possible exception of our league performance at the start of last season, I don't think he has ever got the most out of what he has had at his disposal. I can understand that at the start of his reign as I wouldn't expect him to and I can live with it if we are improving and I can accept a whole lot when we win the league. However, we have moved to a point where I currently believe that his man-management is contributing to under-performance of the team to an extent that means the minuses outweigh the pluses. I don't think that alone has cost us the league: there's a variety of reasons for that.

 

[Anonymous]

The point for me is about getting the maximum out of your players. That is a fundamental part of your job description if you're a manager. That's not to say that you will always succeed, but you get paid to do your best. If we believe Kowalski's description of Mancini's working methods, then he has no desire to get the best out of anyone other than those who are already motivated and professional enough to need minimal management. That isn't trying to exert the maximum out of all your players - that's expecting the maximum with minimal input from yourself and a complete emotional detachment from the needs of the players. It's an archaic and out dated type of management IMO. Reminds me of a school headmaster in the 70's.

 

[moomba]

What do you put it down to moomba?

I don't put it down to any one thing. Players, management, lack of improvement in the squad, injuries, another ACN, luck have all played a part.

We won the league last year and I doubt his management style has changed much since then.

Your right and i agree, his management style wont change.

As i said earlier in the thread, his stubbornness will be his downfall, both on and off the pitch, he'll either live or die by his decisions, who'd be a manager eh?

I guess his methods have bought him quite a bit of success so there is plenty of merit in the argument that what he does works. One average to poor season won't change that argument.

 

[FantasyIreland]

[quote="moomba]I guess his methods have bought him quite a bit of success so there is plenty of merit in the argument that what he does works. One average to poor season won't change that argument.[/quote]

Indeed his methods have brought success,but it's limited.........and it will continue to be so,because,as much as you wish to ignore the fact,his management ability is also limited.

 

[moomba]

[quote="moomba]I guess his methods have bought him quite a bit of success so there is plenty of merit in the argument that what he does works. One average to poor season won't change that argument.

Indeed his methods have brought success,but it's limited.........and it will continue to be so,because,as much as you wish to ignore the fact,his management ability is also limited.[/quote][/quote]

I judge people on what I see. I have no reason to ignore faults in Mancini or anyone else.

But for me the ends justify the means. We can debate the ins and outs of the management style of a person most of have never spoken to for fun. But when it comes down to it if it gets results none of us should care how he goes about it.

And yes, another season like this and I will be inclined to believe the ends no longer justify the means.

But to date they have.

 

[waspish]

So I ask again. You are the owner you have the cash. Which set of players would you aim to sign for your club?

And yes you can call me Gary

Question for you ... you think the owners are going to want a manager who demands a player, then once signed says "he's not got the right mentality - sell him" - or one who demands a player, then if the mentality isn't right, works with him to get the best out of him ?

Buy a player. Isn't the fit you thought it would be. Sell him.

Whats the problem?

Taggart bought Berbatov. Berbs couldn't handle the environment. Got ignored in his last season and didn't even make the bench for the CL final. Then got sold with a few digs at Taggart on the way out.

Why didn't it work? Had the talent but not the character.

It happens. Nani is going the same way. Anderson is still there and still not making it. Character. Sell early on on waste a few years instilling a character that is not there. Take your pick.

-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:41 pm --

but after 2 years, cut your losses

Sure you can cut your losses. But, and lets for arguments sake put Dzeko in the same box as Balo and Nasri. Then you have three players the manager insisted on signing at great cost to the owners. Kowalski's point was that the owners would prefer mentally tough players who are self motivated. None of those three are and all three were signed by Mancini. Now because Mancini can't get the best out of them due in no small part to his one size fits all approach to management, the owners should sell up.

So the question then becomes, how many players can he sign and discard before he becomes part of the problem rather than part of the solution?

Players Mancini has bought that were sold

Boateng
AJ
Mario

Any I have missed? Hardly a massive turnover and monies largely recouped. Seen worse buying and selling records.

Totally Agee with this type of management buy a player you think fits that criteria then down the line if he doesn't move him on! Mancini stays here long enough eventually the squad will be totally in his mould!

 

[Skashion]

Not if it costs you the League title, UCL post group stage participation....

Could have sworn we won the league title with nineteen goals and three assists from 'mistakes' Balotelli and Adam Johnson.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Not if it costs you the League title, UCL post group stage participation....

Could have sworn we won the league title with nineteen goals and three assists from 'mistakes' Balotelli and Adam Johnson.

Seriously only 3 assists from the pair? Quite surprised at that

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Not if it costs you the League title, UCL post group stage participation....

Could have sworn we won the league title with nineteen goals and three assists from 'mistakes' Balotelli and Adam Johnson.

Seriously only 3 assists from the pair? Quite surprised at that

AJ fed off the scraps in the dying minutes and Balo's only assist was the Aguero goal.

 

[FantasyIreland]

But to date they have.

Our European record and even the 15 points says different.