Mancini

[FantasyIreland]

[Christ on a bike I've been lol'ed

I havn't changed my thinking(or parameters......) from the outset.
Mancini is good manager who has his limitations,success in Europe being high up in that list.

Judging the man on his overall management credentials suggest he falls short in areas crucial to our progress and future success,as you have pointed out,that goes well beyond his tenure here.

We are one of the biggest teams in the world now,failing in Europe and falling out with players on a regular basis is not what is required of the man chosen to guide us towards being the best.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

[Christ on a bike I've been lol'ed

I havn't changed my thinking(or parameters......) from the outset.
Mancini is good manager who has his limitations,success in Europe being high up in that list.

Judging the man on his overall management credentials suggest he falls short in areas crucial to our progress and future success,as you have pointed out,that goes well beyond his tenure here.

We are one of the biggest teams in the world now,failing in Europe and falling out with players on a regular basis is not what is required of the man chosen to guide us towards being the best.

Then name a successor. Not a pie-in-the-sky name, just someone credible and with a CV to back him up.

 

[samharris]

Exactly.

People are making this out to be something it isn't.

Its called scraping the barrell...

Deliberately blanking and not acknowledging are no the same thing and I've frequently seen Mancini acknowledge players leaving the field.

As I said above, it's not about one incident it's about a trend, a trend that some us think is symptomatic of poor man-management.

You may not agree with the view that it is poor man-management but if you think such an opinion is scraping the barrel, it really is not worth discussing with you.

Funny that none of this so called 'poor man management' was mentioned at the end of last season,but last season no one ( well hardly anyone) wanted him out we'd just won the title...Now to fuel your argument its the be all and end all, and in my opinion scraping the barrel.

what do you want from Bob ?? group hugs,gold stars,high fives ?? He isnt that sort of bloke,but you,ve always known that.
Now its a stick to beat him with...

Last week after the loss to Everton it was his poor tactics and team selection being lambasted,this week after his 4-0 win its not tactics being criticised its his poor man mangement,the same man management that won us the title last year...

 

[OB1]

Its called scraping the barrell...

Deliberately blanking and not acknowledging are no the same thing and I've frequently seen Mancini acknowledge players leaving the field.

As I said above, it's not about one incident it's about a trend, a trend that some us think is symptomatic of poor man-management.

You may not agree with the view that it is poor man-management but if you think such an opinion is scraping the barrel, it really is not worth discussing with you.

Really? Thats what its come down to? Can we let Ferran know? It has to be the first question. How effusive do you greet players when subbing them.

We don't want another blanker. Do we want handshakes. Pats on back. Sloppy kisses with tongues...

Bob,

Before you launch into one of your sarcastic moments, at least try to understand what I have written, across the whole chain of the above conversation - not all of which is quoted on my last response.

If my English is not clear an plain enough for you and others, I do apologize but I am not explaining myself again.

 

[OB1]

Its called scraping the barrell...

Deliberately blanking and not acknowledging are no the same thing and I've frequently seen Mancini acknowledge players leaving the field.

As I said above, it's not about one incident it's about a trend, a trend that some us think is symptomatic of poor man-management.

You may not agree with the view that it is poor man-management but if you think such an opinion is scraping the barrel, it really is not worth discussing with you.

Funny that none of this so called 'poor man management' was mentioned at the end of last season,but last season no one ( well hardly anyone) wanted him out we'd just won the title...Now to fuel your argument its the be all and end all, and in my opinion scraping the barrel.

what do you want from Bob ?? group hugs,gold stars,high fives ?? He isnt that sort of bloke,but you,ve always known that.
Now its a stick to beat him with...

Last week after the loss to Everton it was his poor tactics and team selection being lambasted,this week after his 4-0 win its not tactics being criticised its his poor man mangement,the same man management that won us the title last year...

I've already explained my view on the man-management in a response to moomba today.

 

[BobKowalski]

Deliberately blanking and not acknowledging are no the same thing and I've frequently seen Mancini acknowledge players leaving the field.

As I said above, it's not about one incident it's about a trend, a trend that some us think is symptomatic of poor man-management.

You may not agree with the view that it is poor man-management but if you think such an opinion is scraping the barrel, it really is not worth discussing with you.

Really? Thats what its come down to? Can we let Ferran know? It has to be the first question. How effusive do you greet players when subbing them.

We don't want another blanker. Do we want handshakes. Pats on back. Sloppy kisses with tongues...

Bob,

Before you launch into one of your sarcastic moments, at least try to understand what I have written, across the whole chain of the above conversation - not all of which is quoted on my last response.

If my English is not clear an plain enough for you and others, I do apologize but I am not explaining myself again.

So...sloppy kisses then.

Oh now I feel guilty. Trouble is you tossed your response gently in the air with an invitation to smack it out of the park and whilst In fairness to myself I do try and take on board the whole breadth of conversation across the thread and even answer as such there is only so much horrified skirt lifting melodrama that a sensible man can take without resorting to sarcasm

You see my dilemma.

 

[LoveCity]

As a fence sitter with no personal agenda (since everyone here is labelled "inner" or "outer", there can be no middle ground apparently), I urge people to watch Bayern vs. Juventus tonight and in particular the tactics of both sides and how the teams play as a whole. I think Mancini is not as good tactically as some here seem to think, and relies too much on individual quality (throw 11 top players on to the pitch and they will get you far but the limitations will show in time, as they have) which is our problem more than anything.

Mancio has still not built a genuine team out of us, 11 players working together and for each other, and I'd like to hear a valid reason because there isn't one that I can think of. Yes, it can be tough with big name players but other managers do it. I loathe to say it but our most hated rivals are the best domestic example of a team, their individual quality is inferior to ours but they operate smoothly as a team so that even the weak links don't stand out too much and play their part.

We did win the league but I say again if not for the novelty of a new system that teams failed to understand for months we would not have won the league - the evidence is in how many points we started to drop from the West Brom game onward (they were the first to utilise the tactics that have since frustrated us so many times away from home). If teams had known that earlier, does anyone think we'd have finished level on points with United and not dropped more points? So we rode the novelty, fair enough, but the true challenge was always going to come later and we/he have failed to meet it.

Anyway, if tonight's match plays out how I expect it'll show the gulf in tactics between us and those two teams. And it's not an outright criticism, Mancini is a good coach but just quite a way off being a great one. The most valid reason for him staying IMO is if a greater one is unavailable. But if one is and if the chiefs do decide to replace him there will be some justification in the decision I think.

 

[OB1]

You see my dilemma.

I think Billy summed your dilemma up nicely.

 

[chesterbells]

As there appears to be plenty of folk on here who have no time for Mancini, despite his trophy-laden CV, let's have some SENSIBLE names who could be considered as his successor, managers who would be seriously tempted into taking the job if ever the vacancy was to arise. Managers who have won a series of honours in major European Leagues. There aren't too many who would fit the bill, I would suggest. Certainly not the usual names, Guardiola or Mourinho.

Why do you think Mourinho wouldn't fit the bill? Not won enough?

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

As a fence sitter with no personal agenda (since everyone here is labelled "inner" or "outer", there can be no middle ground apparently), I urge people to watch Bayern vs. Juventus tonight and in particular the tactics of both sides and how the teams play as a whole. I think Mancini is not as good tactically as some here seem to think, and relies too much on individual quality (throw 11 top players on to the pitch and they will get you far but the limitations will show in time, as they have) which is our problem more than anything.

Mancio has still not built a genuine team out of us, 11 players working together and for each other, and I'd like to hear a valid reason because there isn't one that I can think of. Yes, it can be tough with big name players but other managers do it. I loathe to say it but our most hated rivals are the best domestic example of a team, their individual quality is inferior to ours but they operate smoothly as a team so that even the weak links don't stand out too much and play their part.

We did win the league but I say again if not for the novelty of a new system that teams failed to understand for months we would not have won the league - the evidence is in how many points we started to drop from the West Brom game onward (they were the first to utilise the tactics that have since frustrated us so many times away from home). If teams had known that earlier, does anyone think we'd have finished level on points with United and not dropped more points? So we rode the novelty, fair enough, but the true challenge was always going to come later and we/he have failed to meet it.

Anyway, if tonight's match plays out how I expect it'll show the gulf in tactics between us and those two teams. And it's not an outright criticism, Mancini is a good coach but just quite a way off being a great one. The most valid reason for him staying IMO is if a greater one is unavailable. But if one is and if the chiefs do decide to replace him there will be some justification in the decision I think.

We did have a mid-season blip, but our finishing run to the season was equal to the start of it. Or more so when the pressure is taken into consideration. But the fact remains that our final total of 89 points would have been good enough to win the EPL in 12 of the 17 seasons in its current 38 game format, which is good enough for me. Let's also not forget that our goal difference was far superior to anyone else, and this was achieved by scoring more than the rest and by conceding fewer than the rest too. So let's have none of this finishing "level on points with United" talk. City won the title on merit.

But for what it's worth, Ferguson realised where his squad had gone wrong and he did something about it once the season was over. Unfortunately for us, our executives dillied and dallied and basically left things as they were, and we have paid for it. Let's hope that this summer brings a more pro-active approach in player recruitment.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:47 pm --<br /><br />

As there appears to be plenty of folk on here who have no time for Mancini, despite his trophy-laden CV, let's have some SENSIBLE names who could be considered as his successor, managers who would be seriously tempted into taking the job if ever the vacancy was to arise. Managers who have won a series of honours in major European Leagues. There aren't too many who would fit the bill, I would suggest. Certainly not the usual names, Guardiola or Mourinho.

Why do you think Mourinho wouldn't fit the bill? Not won enough?

I said SENSIBLE names. Mourinho won't be coming here.