Mancini

[whipper]

Reading the last few pages in this thread,made me realise its the 2nd week of school holidays and some are getting bored!

 

[Bluemoon115]

Maybe, but I see no reason that Mancini can not work with his DoF. The cabal are blessed with many powers, but mind-reading is not one of them

His constant blaming of everyone who isn't Mancini suggests he can't.

It's not constant though is it? Half a dozen times in 3 and half years isn't as terrible as a few would like to convey.
You make him out to be some spoilt little kid whereas I see it as a manager speaking out when he feels the need to - some times the end results are more successful than others. I don't think it's a trait that should be lambasted as much as it is by a few on here, but each to their own and all that.

It's when he doesn't get his own way (which so far hasn't been that often) such as with Marwood (which in itself is funny, because all this "everyone should blindly support everyone at the club" etc nonsense doesn't seem to extend to him).

With a full time DoF (or similar role) in place, plus further restrictions with having to comply with 2 sets of financial regulations, he'll have less pull than before, so will get his way even less.

 

[OB1]

For those claiming there are no alternatives to Mancini, Malaga vs Dortmund was a cracking first half. Free flowing, inventive football and two well organised teams. A credit to both managers.

From a playing point of view, Isco looks good, as does Joaquin, and Lewandowski would surely make a common sense alternative to the vastly overpriced (much as I like him) Cavani.......

Pace, movement, pressing, high tempo passing...

 

[The Future's Blue]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Considering what you say, although I don't believe they have the complete run if the ship, there has only been one comment from the new guys in relation to the manager and that is 'He's a Champion'. And as they suggested, nothing more to be said.

I think Ferano and Begiristain are aware of the short term future and will back Mancini 100%. Nobody likes to rock the boat too early.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

For those claiming there are no alternatives to Mancini, Malaga vs Dortmund was a cracking first half. Free flowing, inventive football and two well organised teams. A credit to both managers.

From a playing point of view, Isco looks good, as does Joaquin, and Lewandowski would surely make a common sense alternative to the vastly overpriced (much as I like him) Cavani.......

Pace, movement, pressing, high tempo passing...

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

 

[Nevizade]

For those claiming there are no alternatives to Mancini, Malaga vs Dortmund was a cracking first half. Free flowing, inventive football and two well organised teams. A credit to both managers.

From a playing point of view, Isco looks good, as does Joaquin, and Lewandowski would surely make a common sense alternative to the vastly overpriced (much as I like him) Cavani.......

Pace, movement, pressing, high tempo passing...

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

Agreed. Given that one, two Málaga players at a push would get into our side (Isco and Toulalan respectively), MP is certainly getting the best out of his players as a unit against a very good Dortmund side. Apart from between April and November 2011, can we really say Mancini has done that? From a 'fencer (copyright LoveCity)'.

 

[Phil1]

For those claiming there are no alternatives to Mancini, Malaga vs Dortmund was a cracking first half. Free flowing, inventive football and two well organised teams. A credit to both managers.

From a playing point of view, Isco looks good, as does Joaquin, and Lewandowski would surely make a common sense alternative to the vastly overpriced (much as I like him) Cavani.......

Pace, movement, pressing, high tempo passing...

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

So a good game to watch now automatically means that the managers involved are better than Mancini?
I'm sure there are plenty of games over his tenure which would leave impartial viewers impressed with what they saw.
Both you and OB1 are better than cheap jibes, using an isolated game to push your argument doesn't wash.

 

[Danamy]

I think the power and influence that will be awarded to Txiki Begiristain is being underestimated in the above. He isn't called the "kingmaker" for nothing, our club wants to be like Barcelona and with that has to come a similar structure or else we remain Chelsea mkII with too much inconsistency and not enough continuity (Chelsea's NextGen coach has been complaining that the club doesn't give their kids chances - they have an amazing academy at the moment and no one is getting a chance). The whole point of a Director of Football and the model we've adopted is to give the guy great influence over all matters of football. Like this, if true: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2298107/Txiki-Begiristain-influence-causes-rift-Manchester-City.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -City.html</a>

And you don't bring in possibly the most coveted DoF on the continent if you're going to strip him of the powers that make him so effective. This is the man who had the balls to push for Rijkaard - previously a managerial failure - and who some years later felt Rijkaard had done all he could and urged Barcelona to snub the world's most sought after manager Mourinho for their reserve team manager Pep. In building a continuity and ethos throughout the club, the DoF wants/needs a first-team manager suited to it and has a huge say on who that is at any other club. Even that imbecile at Chelsea, Michael Emenalo, got Benitez appointed.

Thanks for summing up what I've been trying to say for weeks in one post, good work.

 

[fatbloke]

One for all the Mancini outers, what qualities do these others managers have that make them so much better than Mancini?

People can say teams like Dortmund have Klopp and they love the high pressing game but look at our defensive record over the last 3 seasons, its been the best in the hardest league in the world. People can criticise our lack of attacking options this year but we've missed our top striker for several long injuries and a few senior players (namely Samir Nasri) haven't contributed as much as they possibly should. People can also say that's Mancini's fault but if he'd been backed in the transfer market players like Nasri would have had more competition than Scott Sinclair to contend with.

Every manager has positives and negatives so what makes them so much better than our Bobby?

 

[daztrueblue91]

I think it is clear that the academy is going to be the key to our future success and the fact we have brought in Txiki who has worked with arguably the best academy in the world speaks volumes to who is in charge.

You do not invest 100+ million on a world class academy complex and bring in a man with the track record Txiki has as a DoF and not give him full control.

Its obvious that it is up to Txiki if Mancini stays or goes and its easy to see why some folk want him gone and some want him to stay.

You can look at Mancini in two ways you can say he is a very poor man manager who fails to get the most out of his squad. You can also add that he is not very good in the UCL, has a habit of playing out club affairs in the media, couldn't manage Balotelli who he invested a lot of time and money on and has managed City and Inter both at fortunate times.

or

You can say Mancini has a very strict but SUCCESSFUL man management style and has won trophies where ever he has been. You could point out that Wenger and Fergies record is not the best in Europe when considering how many times they have been in the UCL. You can say that Mancini is a safe bet domestically and that he turned Mario into a 20 million plus striker.

IMO I think the only man who is going to cost Mancini his job is himself. He needs to accept that this club has moved on since he started here. There is no more Garry Cook trying to buy which ever top class player is available. There is no more Marwood in charge of transfers who he can blame when he does not get his own way.

Mancini has been a big part of our success so far and there in no doubt about that however the way we have acquired our success is unsustainable and the way our club is now run has changed and unless Mancini adapts to this then he will be out of a job.

To get to where we want to be we need everyone from top to bottom working in the same direction and unless this happens our progress will be hindered.