Mancini

[Bluemoon115]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

Be fair to Malaga, they have Crocky as their star striker :)

 

[dancity19]

You make an error, you admit it or move on. Don't come back and try and hide behind bluster. To paraphrase you "Joaquin is a potential cheaper alternative to Cavani. A good game of football should make supporters of Mancini open their eyes." As if City have not played some of the best football any of us have seen in our lifetime!

And a more accurate paraphrase of what he said might be: "Isco looks good, as does Joaquin. ....Lewandowski would make a decent cheap alternative to Cavani."

-- Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:47 pm --

Because there's been great competition for that in the last few years?

Just because we're better than we were, doesn't mean we're as good as we could be.

To be fair, I think there have been occasions in the last 2 years where we have played some phenomenal football, and maybe reached that peak. My complaint is that it has been too few and far between, and we haven't reached anywhere near that level all season really.

I want another, yes I think post coupled, with your only talking for yourself with an I know what you don't is chaser, love the self centred bullshit.

What on earth are you on about?

Your post makes no sense whatsoever?

What a very, very strange thing to write indeed. Very odd.

 

[BobKowalski]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

Be fair to Malaga, they have Crocky as their star striker :)

Ha! Great point. It is a fantastic effort by Malaga there is no denying that

 

[OB1]

There's a few "name me a manager better than Mancini" merchants on here, who'd do well to watch and learn, that's for sure

Be serious! You watch a good game, and it's an advert against Mancini?

How can you discuss anything seriously if this is the kind of mentality involved.

As for Joaquin he's been around for ages and no longer plays for Spain. His best days are very much behind him

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

Saved me some words.

I'd add the cheap jibe dig earlier in this conversation, in relation to the original interchange between EBIAH and me, was a bit hysterical. There are elements of Dortmund's play in particular that are frequently lacking in City's but that City ought to be able to replicate without much change to the composition of the squad.

And it's not about one game being an advert against Mancini: tonight's game was an example of what the teams involved do on a regular basis; Dortmund amply demonstrated that when they played us.

I would love to see what Klopp could do with City's resources. I think he would make us the most entertaining team in the Premiership again. Bobby managed that last season and maybe he can do it again but I think Klopp would go that step further. Sadly, I see little chance of getting him.

 

[waspish]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

You see this is what I don't get about the fans who want Mancini to "move on" they think the next manager will be this utopian leader plays mind blowing football week in week out who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed! They will get a shock no such manager exists and who ever replaces Mancini in the near future will have similar failures but this time the manager might be one who wins fuck all! God forbid after 2 seasons

 

[Phil1]

Be serious! You watch a good game, and it's an advert against Mancini?

How can you discuss anything seriously if this is the kind of mentality involved.

As for Joaquin he's been around for ages and no longer plays for Spain. His best days are very much behind him

No, it's not an advert against Mancini. Not for the first time you are responding to what you wish I'd written, in order to promote your own argument, rather than what I actually did write. And just to help you on that score, for the benefit of those, including yourself, who have spent the last 600 pages shrieking for the "outers" to provide alternatives to Mancini, I suggested you could do worse than watch the two excellently managed teams doing battle tonight in the most prestigious club tournament in the world........which incidentally we managed 0 wins in 6 games in, with a squad costing the better part of £350m.
As to Joaquin, I am fully aware of who and what he is. I simply said he was having a good game. Again, specs on, learn to read

Saved me some words.

I'd add the cheap jibe dig earlier in this conversation, in relation to the original interchange between EBIAH and me, was a bit hysterical. There are elements of Dortmund's play in particular that are frequently lacking in City's but that City ought to be able to replicate without much change to the composition of the squad.

And it's not about one game being an advert against Mancini: tonight's game was an example of what the teams involved do on a regular basis; Dortmund amply demonstrated that when they played us.

I would love to see what Klopp could do with City's resources. I think he would make us the most entertaining team in the Premiership again. Bobby managed that last season and maybe he can do it again but I think Klopp would go that step further. Sadly, I see little chance of getting him.

Hysterical? Hardly OB1, I'm currently in my office and people would notice if I was to get too carried away.. :-)

I agree that Klopp would most likely succeed with our team and resources, I also agree that he would have us playing entertaining football, I just don't agree that Mancini should be replaced in the first place.

 

[andyhinch]

And a more accurate paraphrase of what he said might be: "Isco looks good, as does Joaquin. ....Lewandowski would make a decent cheap alternative to Cavani."

-- Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:47 pm --



To be fair, I think there have been occasions in the last 2 years where we have played some phenomenal football, and maybe reached that peak. My complaint is that it has been too few and far between, and we haven't reached anywhere near that level all season really.

I want another, yes I think post coupled, with your only talking for yourself with an I know what you don't is chaser, love the self centred bullshit.

What on earth are you on about?

Your post makes no sense whatsoever?

What a very, very strange thing to write indeed. Very odd.

Madness in a world of fools can be insightful

 

[OB1]

Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before

Not at many Dortmund matches. Wasn't that only the second time they have failed to score this season (the other time being against Bayern)?

 

[BlueAnorak]

BlueAnorak, you do realise don't you that Txiki Begiristain is Director of Football, not Head of the Academy (currently Mark Allen)? Begiristain's reach will go far beyond the academy.

I may make stupid life decisions but I'm not an idiot.

 

[Blue Heaven]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

You see this is what I don't get about the fans who want Mancini to "move on" they think the next manager will be this utopian leader plays mind blowing football week in week out who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed! They will get a shock no such manager exists and who ever replaces Mancini in the near future will have similar failures but this time the manager might be one who wins fuck all! God forbid after 2 seasons

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Only two men will end Mancini's career at City.
Mancini if he resigns
-OR-
Sheikh Mansour if he wields the axe. Mancini has been successful with us. As our Abu Dhabi owner and management team ARE ALL long term planning and development types it means it will take a hell of a lot for the Sheikh to change his mind on Roberto Mancini inside a year of a new contract being offered.

FFS it took a year and a half for Hughesless to get the push and even then if he'd have come up with a plan to get out of the rut of 9 draws on the bounce rather than the glib: "IT will come right" - he might have got longer.

 

[OB1]

Hysterical? Hardly OB1, I'm currently in my office and people would notice if I was to get too carried away.. :-)

I agree that Klopp would most likely succeed with our team and resources, I also agree that he would have us playing entertaining football, I just don't agree that Mancini should be replaced in the first place.

Well if it wasn't hysterical, you choose the adjective because I didn't make any sort of jibe but, if I had, it would have been expensive.

And, for the record, I don't have any problem with people wanting to stick with Mancini but I am heartily sick of the abuse, digs and snide remarks made to people that have a different point of view (and I'm not having a go at you, Pablo).

 

[BobKowalski]

Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before

Not at many Dortmund matches. Wasn't that only the second time they have failed to score this season (the other time being against Bayern)?

Lost to Hamburg away , Schalke at home...Wolfsburg at home..oh forget got hammered 4-1 at home to Hamburg a month or so back..scored though so thats a plus...

Dortmund are a very good team under an excellent coach and played exceptionally well against us but they stink the place out at times just as we stink the place at times. I do know that if we got smacked 4-1 at home to someone like Newcastle I doubt if we would get a cheery 'well at least we scored a goal thats good isn't it?" level of post match analysis.

 

[OB1]

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

Dude;-),

There are people of all sorts of age and presumably experience on this board and I hope it is a not a cheap jibe - no sarcasm intended - to suggest that some of them have little or no management experience or training.

 

[80s Shorts]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

You see this is what I don't get about the fans who want Mancini to "move on" they think the next manager will be this utopian leader plays mind blowing football week in week out who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed! They will get a shock no such manager exists and who ever replaces Mancini in the near future will have similar failures but this time the manager might be one who wins fuck all! God forbid after 2 seasons

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

LOL.

 

[andyhinch]

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

Dude;-),

There are people of all sorts of age and presumably experience on this board and I hope it is a not a cheap jibe - no sarcasm intended - to suggest that some of them have little or no management experience or training.

Dude;)

 

[Anonymous]

Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before

Not at many Dortmund matches. Wasn't that only the second time they have failed to score this season (the other time being against Bayern)?

Lost to Hamburg away , Schalke at home...Wolfsburg at home..oh forget got hammered 4-1 at home to Hamburg a month or so back..scored though so thats a plus...

Dortmund are a very good team under an excellent coach and played exceptionally well against us but they stink the place out at times just as we stink the place at times. I do know that if we got smacked 4-1 at home to someone like Newcastle I doubt if we would get a cheery 'well at least we scored a goal thats good isn't it?" level of post match analysis.

Had our team cost 30 million rather than 200 million, we might be afforded that slack after winning the league two years on the bounce.

Sorry, keep digging ;)

 

[LoveCity]

Dortmund are a very good team under an excellent coach and played exceptionally well against us but they stink the place out at times just as we stink the place at times. I do know that if we got smacked 4-1 at home to someone like Newcastle I doubt if we would get a cheery 'well at least we scored a goal thats good isn't it?" level of post match analysis.

Give Klopp a couple hundred million quid to add depth and extra quality to his squad, and I have a feeling their number of losses would decrease. Have a look at how many of Dortmund's Bundesliga losses have been before or after Champions League games this season when they've either had to rotate or rest players. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/44/Fixtures/Germany-Borussia-Dortmund" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/44/Fixtu ... a-Dortmund</a>

Their energetic pressing style needs a deeper squad than they have to fully compete on all fronts, they run out of steam too much as it is because their players are expending so much energy. I think tonight you also saw some of the symptoms, they played well and should have won but that extra edge, that 25% or so extra energy they showed against us and Real, wasn't there because the same core group of players have run themselves into the ground this season.

 

[waspish]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

You see this is what I don't get about the fans who want Mancini to "move on" they think the next manager will be this utopian leader plays mind blowing football week in week out who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed! They will get a shock no such manager exists and who ever replaces Mancini in the near future will have similar failures but this time the manager might be one who wins fuck all! God forbid after 2 seasons

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

I apologise for your misunderstanding of a flippant post on the attributes of the next possible character/personality manager!

 

[BobKowalski]

So to reiterate my earlier point. No one is entirely sure who reports to who or even it seems what their remit is or where Txiki or Mancini fit into the management structure or whether Txiki has the authority to fire Mancini or not. Nice to see we are debating with all the facts to hand. And yes that does include me :)

And in other news given I was urged to see how well other teams play compared to ourselves...Dortmund were good but couldn't finish for toffee - where have I seen that before - and Malaga were ok(ish) but seemed to lose their way in the second half and it all got a bit disjointed. Bayern were excellent and Juve were...timid and very disappointing.

Heynckes in. Shame he's 104 and about to jack it in...but flavour of the month is so the way forward when picking your next coach

You see this is what I don't get about the fans who want Mancini to "move on" they think the next manager will be this utopian leader plays mind blowing football week in week out who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed! They will get a shock no such manager exists and who ever replaces Mancini in the near future will have similar failures but this time the manager might be one who wins fuck all! God forbid after 2 seasons

It's so revealing that you have reduced effective, no, competent, man-management to '...who shakes players hands and gives the players a nice cheesy smile when subbed!' Your utter lack of basic knowledge of individual psychology and job management is disturbing.

Or waspish was using 'exaggeration' to make a point. A device often employed but can sometimes be taken literally especially if that someone has a rod up their own arse...