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Mancini's future
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Sheikh, thanks for coming...
1.Tevez said in the post match interview to Sky that he wasnt feeling mentally and physically prepared to play and thats why he didnt
2. Zabaleta also said that Tevez just didnt want to play.
How can anyone say that Mancini misunderstood Tevez after the above two things happened.
2. Zabaleta also said that Tevez just didnt want to play.
How can anyone say that Mancini misunderstood Tevez after the above two things happened.
citymad said:intheknow! said:I've said all along Mancini is not the right manager for City. And I've took abuse on here but I don't care, I feel that more than ever.
Mancini has screwed up. I believe Tevez said he wasn't warming up again NOT that he wasn't going to play but because Mancini was flustered, worried, losing the plot because HIS tactics, team selection etc etc had spectacularly flopped and City were being taught a footballing lesson by Bayern. He overreacted and thought Tevez was refusing to play.
Mancini is a terrible man manager and it's not just Tevez, look at other players who have been jettisoned and how much it's cost the club, all because Mancini doesn't like them!!
that had crossed my mind too.
This is also bothering me, I keep thinking of that incident with Moyes over the ball.
Hope we are wrong on this.
Lucky13
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citymad said:intheknow! said:I've said all along Mancini is not the right manager for City. And I've took abuse on here but I don't care, I feel that more than ever.
Mancini has screwed up. I believe Tevez said he wasn't warming up again NOT that he wasn't going to play but because Mancini was flustered, worried, losing the plot because HIS tactics, team selection etc etc had spectacularly flopped and City were being taught a footballing lesson by Bayern. He overreacted and thought Tevez was refusing to play.
Mancini is a terrible man manager and it's not just Tevez, look at other players who have been jettisoned and how much it's cost the club, all because Mancini doesn't like them!!
We outplayed Bayern for 30mins, the players lost the plot , no one has scored against Bayern this season, tell us how you would of achieved a win.
Tell us which 4 players you'd get rid of to have Ade , Bellamy , Jo and Cruz back?
Try doing the above without just slagging Mancini.
You've been exposed as a rag many times, and judging from your post history, I believe it. Your post doesn't surprise me in the least, as it follows your track record.intheknow! said:I've said all along Mancini is not the right manager for City. And I've took abuse on here but I don't care, I feel that more than ever.
Mancini has screwed up. I believe Tevez said he wasn't warming up again NOT that he wasn't going to play but because Mancini was flustered, worried, losing the plot because HIS tactics, team selection etc etc had spectacularly flopped and City were being taught a footballing lesson by Bayern. He overreacted and thought Tevez was refusing to play.
Mancini is a terrible man manager and it's not just Tevez, look at other players who have been jettisoned and how much it's cost the club, all because Mancini doesn't like them!!
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Displays of emotion and public conflict make a certain sort of person deeply uncomfortable.
You think this is a smokescreen? It's who he is. It's so far from a sign of weakness it's untrue. He's swinging his balls around, tackling the issue fearlessly. That's what offends.
He will say how he feels and risk it all. But only when he thinks he can win.
Or when he doesn't think losing is acceptable any more.
You think he cares that City might lose 5m, 10m on the deal?
City have tried and tried to get value on this deal, and ended up continuing to accommodate a player who is disruptive to the team, and whose actions and presence severely damages the name and image of the club.
Mancini correctly knows that the image of a strong club is priceless.
Everyone in football implicitly knows the difference between the patsies and the tough cookies, the difference between those clubs who have a bit of self respect, and which don't.
Think about the value of 'image', before coming up with ever more irrelevant suppositions on how we ought to cower in the face of employment law.
It would all go through CAS, and they don't cancel contracts because people aren't getting picked or because managers shout the odds at players.
Mancini could be said to be acting unfairly if he said he intended to ruin Tevez by not picking him and refusing to allow him to leave. And if it was his decision.
Otherwise, he's just making the same decision as every other manager who has said a certain player is no longer part of his plans.
Not one of them has ever ended up in court.
You think this is a smokescreen? It's who he is. It's so far from a sign of weakness it's untrue. He's swinging his balls around, tackling the issue fearlessly. That's what offends.
He will say how he feels and risk it all. But only when he thinks he can win.
Or when he doesn't think losing is acceptable any more.
You think he cares that City might lose 5m, 10m on the deal?
City have tried and tried to get value on this deal, and ended up continuing to accommodate a player who is disruptive to the team, and whose actions and presence severely damages the name and image of the club.
Mancini correctly knows that the image of a strong club is priceless.
Everyone in football implicitly knows the difference between the patsies and the tough cookies, the difference between those clubs who have a bit of self respect, and which don't.
Think about the value of 'image', before coming up with ever more irrelevant suppositions on how we ought to cower in the face of employment law.
It would all go through CAS, and they don't cancel contracts because people aren't getting picked or because managers shout the odds at players.
Mancini could be said to be acting unfairly if he said he intended to ruin Tevez by not picking him and refusing to allow him to leave. And if it was his decision.
Otherwise, he's just making the same decision as every other manager who has said a certain player is no longer part of his plans.
Not one of them has ever ended up in court.
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Three fucking rags.Shirley said:citymad said:intheknow! said:I've said all along Mancini is not the right manager for City. And I've took abuse on here but I don't care, I feel that more than ever.
Mancini has screwed up. I believe Tevez said he wasn't warming up again NOT that he wasn't going to play but because Mancini was flustered, worried, losing the plot because HIS tactics, team selection etc etc had spectacularly flopped and City were being taught a footballing lesson by Bayern. He overreacted and thought Tevez was refusing to play.
Mancini is a terrible man manager and it's not just Tevez, look at other players who have been jettisoned and how much it's cost the club, all because Mancini doesn't like them!!
that had crossed my mind too.
This is also bothering me, I keep thinking of that incident with Moyes over the ball.
Hope we are wrong on this.
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intheknow! said:I've said all along Mancini is not the right manager for City. And I've took abuse on here but I don't care, I feel that more than ever.
Mancini has screwed up. I believe Tevez said he wasn't warming up again NOT that he wasn't going to play but because Mancini was flustered, worried, losing the plot because HIS tactics, team selection etc etc had spectacularly flopped and City were being taught a footballing lesson by Bayern. He overreacted and thought Tevez was refusing to play.
Mancini is a terrible man manager and it's not just Tevez, look at other players who have been jettisoned and how much it's cost the club, all because Mancini doesn't like them!!
I don't post on here a lot as you can see but this left me feckin speechless! Your entitled to your opinion I suppose but Mancini is one of the best managers I've seen at city and he has mine and from what I can tell most other city fans support.
Tevez is at fault here not Mancini.
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Scooby Blue said:Jumanji said:Mancini said "if it was up to me"....
What does lack of procedure have to do with that....do explain, i'm all ears.
RM gave post-match interviews to Sky / BBC / MCFC tv / general media etc
and I don't claim to have fully transcripted all of his comments with all broad casters...but with the interview available on BBC website...RM says:
"..for me he can never play"
"..with me , he is finished"
Since performance + appearance fees will form a meaningful part of Tevez's remuneration at MCFC...RM is effectively foreclosing his future opportunity to be selected for the first team (whilst RM is manager).
You don't have to be a rocket scientist / genius / or legal expert to realise that this is tantamount to a summary judgement on an employee's future employment / remuneration prospects ....without allowing him the opportunity to invoke whatever employment procedures + appeals etc are stipulated within City's internal staff guidelines.
No matter how annoyed you get with an employee....the reality of modern (UK) employment law is that there is a procedure to be followed before you effectively kick him out of the door.
Whether Tevez's actions on Tuesday night constitute a breach of contract so grievous as to warrant instant dismissal without recourse to his normal forms of appeal....will be a matter for City's internal review....and possibly a subsequent employment tribunal / court of law to pass judgement on.
Any add-ons will be performance related therefore you'd do well to argue tevez has been financially harmed. You might choose to go for impact on earnings when his contract expires bit Mancini hardly dictates that nor do his comments effect it.
No, what actually effects Tevez's ability to get a gig elsewhere is probably more to do wih him sayin he wants to go (x2), getting a few extra days off over the summer, turning up as a fat twat, not warming up properly a few weeks ago and then refusing to play on Tuesday.
These are just the things in the public domain, I'd be stunned if any lawyer could put any sort of blame at the clubs door given there is a clear history on the players part to not want to perform his duties to the best of his ability.
johnny crossan
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my mate's takeMancini has no understanding of the modern game. Players like Carlos have to be handled with subtlety, care and sympathy. Look at how Bacon Face does it. An affectionate arm round the shoulder, a potentially career-ending tackle in training, and a midnight visit from more robust elements among the supporters.