Manuel Pellegrini

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Don't you fecking start ;)

You started it. I'm gonna have to start invoicing you for my time on the phone if you learn nothing from it! :)

I charge £100 an hour, so you can just settle the £95 balance.

 

[BillyShears]

Don't you fecking start ;)

You started it. I'm gonna have to start invoicing you for my time on the phone if you learn nothing from it! :)

I charge £100 an hour, so you can just settle the £95 balance.

We're even I got lunch last time.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

You started it. I'm gonna have to start invoicing you for my time on the phone if you learn nothing from it! :)

I charge £100 an hour, so you can just settle the £95 balance.

We're even I got lunch last time.

£91.50, then!

 

[Shaelumstash]

They were terrible substitutions to be fair. Why take Milner off??

Who would you have taken off then?

Made sense to use all the sub as it was an intense game. I'd have gone like for like. Maybe the coach thought Milner had run his legs off. I don't know, but I doubt it had anything to do with the shift in the balance of play. It's a mindset, nothing to do with the ability of the 11

The general consensus amongst those who see the subs as being poor seems to be that Jovetic should've gone and we should've brought on Fernandinho or Nasri.

I think a lot of people were looking for City to "kill" the game even though United had 10 men, and a week previously Chelsea had tried to "kill" the game too early and ended up inviting so much pressure they got a man sent off and conceded a goal.

This is a very good point about Chelsea, they brought on an extra defensive midfielder to try and close out the game and ended up conceding. That must have been in Pellegrini's thoughts when he brought Milner off. It didn't work, however, and we went from cruising to an easy victory to clinging on for dear life against 10 men.

For all the Pellegrini fan boy's talk of "the cheap seats" I'm afraid no one with any knowledge of the game thought bringing Milner off at the time was the right decision, and no one with the benefit of hindsight thinks it was the right decision either.

 

[BillyShears]

I charge £100 an hour, so you can just settle the £95 balance.

We're even I got lunch last time.

£91.50, then!

Ah yeah. I'd forgotten about that diet you were on ;)

 

[chris85mcfc]

Who would you have taken off then?

Made sense to use all the sub as it was an intense game. I'd have gone like for like. Maybe the coach thought Milner had run his legs off. I don't know, but I doubt it had anything to do with the shift in the balance of play. It's a mindset, nothing to do with the ability of the 11

The general consensus amongst those who see the subs as being poor seems to be that Jovetic should've gone and we should've brought on Fernandinho or Nasri.

I think a lot of people were looking for City to "kill" the game even though United had 10 men, and a week previously Chelsea had tried to "kill" the game too early and ended up inviting so much pressure they got a man sent off and conceded a goal.

This is a very good point about Chelsea, they brought on an extra defensive midfielder to try and close out the game and ended up conceding. That must have been in Pellegrini's thoughts when he brought Milner off. It didn't work, however, and we went from cruising to an easy victory to clinging on for dear life against 10 men.

For all the Pellegrini fan boy's talk of "the cheap seats" I'm afraid no one with any knowledge of the game thought bringing Milner off at the time was the right decision, and no one with the benefit of hindsight thinks it was the right decision either.

To be fair to Chelsea, they were playing against 11 men so perhaps you can understand why they tried to shore things up, that and the fact they were missing Costa so a second goal wasn't as likely

 

[waspish]

Nasri should have come into the Jovetic pocket, rather than Milner leaving the field.

They were shocking subs in every sense of the word.

Van Persie, Di Maria, a succession of late corners, all a result of taking Milner off and exposing the left hand flank.

If anything, Milner is at his most dangerous in the closing minutes. Lost count the amount of times he has provided a late cross for a goal or got one himself.

Dzeko, although you can be wise after the event and suggest his role was to defend corners, provided zero..

If Dzeko's introduction was to defend set pieces, then you have to ask why Pellegrini felt so panic-stricken to address an issue which did not even exist at that present time, a ten-man United team still penned in on the edge of their 18-yard box.

Obvious wum'ing there my friend. :)

Don't you fecking start ;)

I've buried the lead...Pellegrini attempted to combat a threat which barely existed at that present time, based on some of the arguments being made that the removal of Milner was indeed a correct one?

Which argues the question, what was it that changed on the field of play which enabled a ten-man outfit, who were in full-on damage-limitation mode, suddenly forget themselves and believe they could get something from the game?

And don't give me that United never-say-die bullshit narrative;)

Difference is Nasri defensively is none existent that's why Mancini was always on his back...

 

[cleavers]

I watched the game again last night too, after the double sub, we spent the first 5 minutes climbing all over united, and had 2 very good chances, before Rooney's run through the centre (not down our left), where nobody put in a proper challenge. It was this that caused the nervous last 15 minutes for me, we suddenly realised the game wasn't over, and started defending desperately rather than cleverly, as we had until then.

Dzeko, whilst he does defend well at corners, was brought on to defend from the front by holding the ball up, and bringing others into it, its a pity he wasn't interested in doing that, I think he managed it once.

Unfortunately we resorted to panic defending, brought on I guess by our recent poor form, rather than using our brains and the space on the pitch to run time down, instead giving the ball back to united far too easily, when we should have keeping possession.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I watched the game again last night too, after the double sub, we spent the first 5 minutes climbing all over united, and had 2 very good chances, before Rooney's run through the centre (not down our left), where nobody put in a proper challenge. It was this that caused the nervous last 15 minutes for me, we suddenly realised the game wasn't over, and started defending desperately rather than cleverly, as we had until then.

Dzeko, whilst he does defend well at corners, was brought on to defend from the front by holding the ball up, and bringing others into it, its a pity he wasn't interested in doing that, I think he managed it once.

Unfortunately we resorted to panic defending, brought on I guess by our recent poor form, rather than using our brains and the space on the pitch to run time down, instead giving the ball back to united far too easily, when we should have keeping possession.

So it takes someone to slalom through our defence with 20 minutes to go in a derby at 1-0 for us to realise the game isn't over

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Yes we did get some ball for a few minutes after the double sub, but once nited worked out it wasn't going to sure us up and had actually weakened us, they got more confident without Milner and Jovetic defending high and scrapping. I really think if we'd brought Margetson on some would say it was the right thing to do and tactically astute.
Love Pellegrini - but think he got lucky with this one.

 

[cleavers]

I'd say yes it did, they thought they were comfortable at 1-0 against 10 men, and as I said it was 5 minutes after the subs before it happened a 5 minutes were we had been all over them. Do you not think our recent form had something to do with the so called panic (though to be honest I didn't think it was that bad at the game).

 

[chris85mcfc]

I'd say yes it did, they thought they were comfortable at 1-0 against 10 men, and as I said it was 5 minutes after the subs before it happened a 5 minutes were we had been all over them. Do you not think our recent form had something to do with the so called panic (though to be honest I didn't think it was that bad at the game).

I don't think there was much panic in the players, in fact i was pretty proud of the way Kompany thumped the ball into the CB stand and screamed at everyone to press them in the corner, thats the kind of thing we miss sometimes especially when some of the team think the game is won

We have been caught out once or twice this season already when we thought the game had been won, but for me 1-0 or even 2-0 is far from game over as was proven in Moscow

 

[Utter bobbins]

Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember any time in our recent history where a substitution was as contentious as the ones on derby day?

I really can't. Especially not after we'd won a match. Amazes me in a way people are still quite so bothered by it so many days later.

De Jong on for a forward used to always get a lot of comment, until people realised it was usually an attacking move. Remember Lescott playing upfront, but can't remember if it was a sub or not.

The thing that stood out for me with this one is the obvious and instantaneous difference in the game immediately before and after the subs. MP has had his good days and bad days with subs but I can't think of a time where the game was turned on it's head like Sunday.

Also maybe because a draw would have left us 8 points behind in the league, hanging on the chimps league and out of the league cup. The consequences of not winning that game were pretty severe.

It's a wider issue for me. In recent weeks, we have been looking for explanations as to why we have lost certain games or not performed for the full ninety minutes?

Manuel calls the shots in game time and his Milner decision on Sunday made me question his tactical acumen for the first time since Bayern Munich were allowed trampling rights at our place last season.

He can achieve even more great things at this club, no doubt, but even my amateur observations, albeit, cultivated as a member of Joe Public simply watching the game for 30 years, can't assume the manager is always in complete control of the situation.

It's all very well surmising but you really haven't got the first idea why Milner was substituted every body is guessing he could have had a knock, completely nackered or tactical you cannot diss any thing if you don't know the facts

 

[Rösler von Stretfordbömber]

De Jong on for a forward used to always get a lot of comment, until people realised it was usually an attacking move. Remember Lescott playing upfront, but can't remember if it was a sub or not.

The thing that stood out for me with this one is the obvious and instantaneous difference in the game immediately before and after the subs. MP has had his good days and bad days with subs but I can't think of a time where the game was turned on it's head like Sunday.

Also maybe because a draw would have left us 8 points behind in the league, hanging on the chimps league and out of the league cup. The consequences of not winning that game were pretty severe.

It's a wider issue for me. In recent weeks, we have been looking for explanations as to why we have lost certain games or not performed for the full ninety minutes?

Manuel calls the shots in game time and his Milner decision on Sunday made me question his tactical acumen for the first time since Bayern Munich were allowed trampling rights at our place last season.

He can achieve even more great things at this club, no doubt, but even my amateur observations, albeit, cultivated as a member of Joe Public simply watching the game for 30 years, can't assume the manager is always in complete control of the situation.

It's all very well surmising but you really haven't got the first idea why Milner was substituted every body is guessing he could have had a knock, completely nackered or tactical you cannot diss any thing if you don't know the facts

Yes just this.

The Milner sub did NOT make sense if one was playing at FM or whatnot. But who on here knows what was said in the dressing room, etc?

If there is one thing I have learned in 20 years of watching football it is that many subs will not seem make 100% sense. No matter who the manager is. For me, Pellers has done wonderful things for us that few ever could have dreamed possible as recently as ten years back. He is uniformly respected in the world of football. (Other than, apparently, by many City fans.) And he has a perfect record in three sodding Derbies running FFS!

Deserving of at least some benefit of the doubt, possibly?

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

I watched the game again last night too, after the double sub, we spent the first 5 minutes climbing all over united, and had 2 very good chances, before Rooney's run through the centre (not down our left), where nobody put in a proper challenge. It was this that caused the nervous last 15 minutes for me, we suddenly realised the game wasn't over, and started defending desperately rather than cleverly, as we had until then.

Dzeko, whilst he does defend well at corners, was brought on to defend from the front by holding the ball up, and bringing others into it, its a pity he wasn't interested in doing that, I think he managed it once.

Unfortunately we resorted to panic defending, brought on I guess by our recent poor form, rather than using our brains and the space on the pitch to run time down, instead giving the ball back to united far too easily, when we should have keeping possession.

As I have said previously, there was only one possible substitution to make; Fernandinho for Jovetic. This would have given us additional 'legs' in midfield to stop the Rooney threat but also by pushing Yaya further forward I belive it would have improved our attacking capabilities. Two birds with one stone so to speak. Nasri or Dzeko should have never entered into the managers thoughts at that stage of the game. I sincerely hope Pellegrini learns from Sunday.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I watched the game again last night too, after the double sub, we spent the first 5 minutes climbing all over united, and had 2 very good chances, before Rooney's run through the centre (not down our left), where nobody put in a proper challenge. It was this that caused the nervous last 15 minutes for me, we suddenly realised the game wasn't over, and started defending desperately rather than cleverly, as we had until then.

Dzeko, whilst he does defend well at corners, was brought on to defend from the front by holding the ball up, and bringing others into it, its a pity he wasn't interested in doing that, I think he managed it once.

Unfortunately we resorted to panic defending, brought on I guess by our recent poor form, rather than using our brains and the space on the pitch to run time down, instead giving the ball back to united far too easily, when we should have keeping possession.

As I have said previously, there was only one possible substitution to make; Fernandinho for Jovetic. This would have given us additional 'legs' in midfield to stop the Rooney threat but also by pushing Yaya further forward I belive it would have improved our attacking capabilities. Two birds with one stone so to speak. Nasri or Dzeko should have never entered into the managers thoughts at that stage of the game. I sincerely hope Pellegrini learns from Sunday.

Nasri needs game time so it should have been him on for Jovetic, who didn't have the best of games. Like for like but Nasri is much better at retaining the ball. If we needed extra legs in midfield then I'd have replaced Navas with Fernandinho.

 

[Sir peace frog]

we were winning 1-0 THE BOSS changed it, we won 1-0 well done boss ,a much needed win,as for the people on here saying differently ,your not the manager pellegrini is and thank FUCK for that .

 

[cleavers]

As I have said previously, there was only one possible substitution to make; Fernandinho for Jovetic.

In your head without knowing any other circumstances.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Close the site down
We're not the Manager, the Owner, the CEO, the Director of Football, the physio.....

 

[aguero93:20]

I watched the game again last night too, after the double sub, we spent the first 5 minutes climbing all over united, and had 2 very good chances, before Rooney's run through the centre (not down our left), where nobody put in a proper challenge. It was this that caused the nervous last 15 minutes for me, we suddenly realised the game wasn't over, and started defending desperately rather than cleverly, as we had until then.

Dzeko, whilst he does defend well at corners, was brought on to defend from the front by holding the ball up, and bringing others into it, its a pity he wasn't interested in doing that, I think he managed it once.

Unfortunately we resorted to panic defending, brought on I guess by our recent poor form, rather than using our brains and the space on the pitch to run time down, instead giving the ball back to united far too easily, when we should have keeping possession.

As I have said previously, there was only one possible substitution to make; Fernandinho for Jovetic. This would have given us additional 'legs' in midfield to stop the Rooney threat but also by pushing Yaya further forward I belive it would have improved our attacking capabilities. Two birds with one stone so to speak. Nasri or Dzeko should have never entered into the managers thoughts at that stage of the game. I sincerely hope Pellegrini learns from Sunday.

Why would we have wanted to stop the fat **** giving us the ball?