Marc-Andre ter Stegen

[cleavers]

It's easy to look world class when your defense allows shot after shot too.

It would be a lot easier to look shite, than world class.

 

[domalino]

You're a self entitled little prick ain't you. Can you show me where your opioion is more valid than mine? Show me why yours is the voice of reason and rashonal thought where I'm just a mindless brick wall to be talked at?
You've an opioion as I do, they differ, get over yourself.

Well how about because your opinions aren't particularly rational at all?

You think pep will abandon one of the fundamental pieces of his football, that he's had in every season he's ever managed for one player.

You keep pretending that Hart is the best keeper in the world and likened ter Stegen to putting Yaya Toure in goal.

You suggested hart could make up for his bad footwork by throwing the ball FFS.

You clearly don't understand the ideas behind having a goalkeeper who is good with his feet and when someone else takes time out to write it out, you've ether ignored it or ridiculed it.


And I don't think my opinion is better than yours or anyone else's, but it's clear to anyone reading your comments that you haven't got a clue on this particular subject. Your opinion is not informed If it was, I would have no problem accepting that our views differed.

The mere fact that you said pep won't want a keeper to be involved in passing despite anyone who's ever watched his teams knowing that's not true shows you really don't get it.

So yeah, I warned off the other bloke from trying to reason with you because it can't be done.

If that makes me a self entitled prick, oh well.

 

[twoddlehopper]

Well how about because your opinions aren't particularly rational at all?

You think pep will abandon one of the fundamental pieces of his football, that he's had in every season he's ever managed for one player.

You keep pretending that Hart is the best keeper in the world and likened ter Stegen to putting Yaya Toure in goal.

You suggested hart could make up for his bad footwork by throwing the ball FFS.

You clearly don't understand the ideas behind having a goalkeeper who is good with his feet and when someone else takes time out to write it out, you've ether ignored it or ridiculed it.


And I don't think my opinion is better than yours or anyone else's, but it's clear to anyone reading your comments that you haven't got a clue on this particular subject. Your opinion is not informed If it was, I would have no problem accepting that our views differed.

The mere fact that you said pep won't want a keeper to be involved in passing despite anyone who's ever watched his teams knowing that's not true shows you really don't get it.

So yeah, I warned off the other bloke from trying to reason with you because it can't be done.

If that makes me a self entitled prick, oh well.

Please see previous comment

 

[cleavers]

Please see previous comment

Please see my PM.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

It's a city forum so yes

Speak for yourself.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

Well we won't be spending that money on a keeper that ter Stegen would cost and thats for sure.
We've buying/bought an Argentinian to replace Callabreo next summer.
Lets say where we are in two weeks time shall we when Pep has seen him train.

This is not true either.

 

[kaz7]

Speak for yourself.

I was doing

 

[Delphacito]

Mate, that is all opioion based, as is my feelings on Jo. My point is that although we have now a very good manager with a great pedigree and record, please dont be under an illusion that he has mastered football...to play the pep way is to always win....he hasn't the key to football. The game is far to unpredictable, Leicester proved that last year by wining it. You can't 'money ball' football.
Ps I really wouldn't go around saying barca's success was down to the keeper, that little attacking midfielder they've got may have a lot to do with it you know.

Sorry mate. But they're not opinions. They're facts.

1. Ter Stegen is the best ball-playing GK. Fact.
2. Ter Stegen is a class GK even without the ball-playing skills. Fact.
3. Joe Hart is a class GK. Fact.
4. Joe Hart is horrible in ball-playing. Fact.
5. Pep likes his GK to be able to pass with this FEET to be able to build up from the back. Fact.

You said that Pep couldn't win CL with Neuer playing as sweeper-keeper.
Then I said Ter Stegen win CL with Barca as a sweeper-keeper.
Then you said Barca winning CL has nothing to do with Ter Stegen, it's all about Messi.
Well which is it then? Pep can't win CL because he plays a sweeper-keeper, or because he doesn't have Messi?
What kind of argument is that?

It is true that Pep don't have the key to football.
But the fact is Pep is our manager and we must play according to our manager's style of play.
If we're really not going to play according to our manager's style, why bother chasing him for 3 years?
We might as well hire Big Sam, buy Andy Carroll as a striker, lineup 4-4-2 to the end while playing the beautiful kick-and-rush English football like it's 1998.

 

[Delphacito]

Don't bother with this guy. Multiple people have explained to him how important the goalkeeper is in building up from he back in Guardiolas teams and his response to me was "Joe can just use his hands and roll the ball out in build up".

He simply does not understand the idea of a goalkeeper passing around the back, and won't listen when people explain it.

You're smashing your head against a brick wall.

I get you but sometimes you just can't help yourself but to reply ha.

 

[twoddlehopper]

Sorry mate. But they're not opinions. They're facts.

1. Ter Stegen is the best ball-playing GK. Fact.
2. Ter Stegen is a class GK even without the ball-playing skills. Fact.
3. Joe Hart is a class GK. Fact.
4. Joe Hart is horrible in ball-playing. Fact.
5. Pep likes his GK to be able to pass with this FEET to be able to build up from the back. Fact.

You said that Pep couldn't win CL with Neuer playing as sweeper-keeper.
Then I said Ter Stegen win CL with Barca as a sweeper-keeper.
Then you said Barca winning CL has nothing to do with Ter Stegen, it's all about Messi.
Well which is it then? Pep can't win CL because he plays a sweeper-keeper, or because he doesn't have Messi?
What kind of argument is that?

It is true that Pep don't have the key to football.
But the fact is Pep is our manager and we must play according to our manager's style of play.
If we're really not going to play according to our manager's style, why bother chasing him for 3 years?
We might as well hire Big Sam, buy Andy Carroll as a striker, lineup 4-4-2 to the end while playing the beautiful kick-and-rush English football like it's 1998.

Fella, although I have just enjoyed you Rafa esk rant, 1+1 =2....that's a fact. Yours is an opioion, wether stat based or generally recognised, it's an opioion. Who's the best band ever? Greatest president of the USA...opinions.
I will say this, to you and damalino, to who I apologise to for calling a prick, the base of the 'argument' is basically I think that
a) too much emphasis is being placed on the keepers ability to play the ball as an outfielder would in Pep's system simply because although we can look over his previous teams, he's never played in a league as diverse in style and as close in competition as ours. He hopefully will have no issues and his tried and tested "ticka taka" will work, I however feel he will have to adapt a lot of what he has learnt to suit our league. I think the high intesity and pressing will work, but other aspects may not.
b) if all the emphasis is placed on Jo's ability to play the ball out from the back to start each passage of play I feel he's more than capable of doing so, with practise and the confidence of know there's more than one option available to him.
c) Jo's previous efforts on and off the field with us over the years should afford him more confidence and support from our fans.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

Fella, although I have just enjoyed you Rafa esk rant, 1+1 =2....that's a fact. Yours is an opioion, wether stat based or generally recognised, it's an opioion. Who's the best band ever? Greatest president of the USA...opinions.
I will say this, to you and damalino, to who I apologise to for calling a prick, the base of the 'argument' is basically I think that
a) too much emphasis is being placed on the keepers ability to play the ball as an outfielder would in Pep's system simply because although we can look over his previous teams, he's never played in a league as diverse in style and as close in competition as ours. He hopefully will have no issues and his tried and tested "ticka taka" will work, I however feel he will have to adapt a lot of what he has learnt to suit our league. I think the high intesity and pressing will work, but other aspects may not.
b) if all the emphasis is placed on Jo's ability to play the ball out from the back to start each passage of play I feel he's more than capable of doing so, with practise and the confidence of know there's more than one option available to him.
c) Jo's previous efforts on and off the field with us over the years should afford him more confidence and support from our fans.

Jo is definitely better than Joe with his feet but he would be a liability between the sticks though his height would be a plus.

 

[BlueAnorak]

This is not true either.

Willy's contract runs out next summer. I doubt he'll be renewed.
Now the young argy keeper is not confirmed but it's a pretty solid rumour and we don't get him we'll get someone else.

 

[BlueDeadHead]

Willy's contract runs out next summer. I doubt he'll be renewed.
Now the young argy keeper is not confirmed but it's a pretty solid rumour and we don't get him we'll get someone else.

We are selling Rulli after this season. We may or may not buy him back. If ter Stegen comes we will never buy him. If Bravo does we will activate our clause in 2 years and move Bravo on.

 

[Delphacito]

Fella, although I have just enjoyed you Rafa esk rant, 1+1 =2....that's a fact. Yours is an opioion, wether stat based or generally recognised, it's an opioion. Who's the best band ever? Greatest president of the USA...opinions.
I will say this, to you and damalino, to who I apologise to for calling a prick, the base of the 'argument' is basically I think that
a) too much emphasis is being placed on the keepers ability to play the ball as an outfielder would in Pep's system simply because although we can look over his previous teams, he's never played in a league as diverse in style and as close in competition as ours. He hopefully will have no issues and his tried and tested "ticka taka" will work, I however feel he will have to adapt a lot of what he has learnt to suit our league. I think the high intesity and pressing will work, but other aspects may not.
b) if all the emphasis is placed on Jo's ability to play the ball out from the back to start each passage of play I feel he's more than capable of doing so, with practise and the confidence of know there's more than one option available to him.
c) Jo's previous efforts on and off the field with us over the years should afford him more confidence and support from our fans.

a) Bundesliga is similar with Premier League in terms of style. Going from La Liga to Bundesliga was a big change in itself and Pep did fine.

b) What 'other aspects' are you talking about here other than pressing and high intensity play? Playing possession football? Well in case you missed it, we've been playing possession football for a long time in the PL, since most of the team park the bus against us.

c) But mate.... that's just your opinion though? See what I did there?

d) We all support our players to become better. But some things are just not that easy. If Aguero wants to convert into a CB, would you give him the confidence and support to do that?

e) I hope some day you lots will realize that no one player is bigger than the club. If Joe is holding back our club from success, we have to replace him. Same with Zaba, Kompany, Aguero, etc. It's Manchester City Football Club, not Joe Hart Football Club.

 

[twoddlehopper]

a) Bundesliga is similar with Premier League in terms of style. Going from La Liga to Bundesliga was a big change in itself and Pep did fine.

b) What 'other aspects' are you talking about here other than pressing and high intensity play? Playing possession football? Well in case you missed it, we've been playing possession football for a long time in the PL, since most of the team park the bus against us.

c) But mate.... that's just your opinion though? See what I did there?

d) We all support our players to become better. But some things are just not that easy. If Aguero wants to convert into a CB, would you give him the confidence and support to do that?

e) I hope some day you lots will realize that no one player is bigger than the club. If Joe is holding back our club from success, we have to replace him. Same with Zaba, Kompany, Aguero, etc. It's Manchester City Football Club, not Joe Hart Football Club.

He did fine in Germany because their league is basically the AMG version of the SPL and he was in charge of the biggest team by 10 fold.
The slow build up play is one of the aspects I'm worried about tbh, we've struggled against teams who have organised against us on mass to defend in the past. Without the invention of merlin we struggle to find a way through.
If Aguero wanted to play in net I'd let that lad, he's Aguero ffs.
Iv never once stated anyone player or manager is bigger than the club I love, my issue is with 'you lots' wielding the axe on one of our players declaring him surplus before a ball has been kicked in anger.

 

[ninjamonkey]

The whole keeper needs to be able to play thing is vastly over exaggerated on here. The keeper in Peps previous sides didn't have much more involvement in the game than keepers of other top teams. Valdes barely touched the ball at Barca, he just had to make himself available if it was required and play simple square passes and possibly create a triangle if the opposition is closing from the front. Neuer is a bit different because he loves to often needlessly charge out of his box aand involve himself in the game like no other keeper.

The keeper in Peps side simply needs to be comfortable on the ball which is more about confidence than anything else, and Joe has plenty of that (some would argue too much at times) he'll be playing 10 yard square passes most of the time with the odd chipped 20-30 yard pass. We've seen from training clips the keepers are now involved with the rest of the first teams rondo's at the start of training which is as tough as it'll get for whoever's in net. Some on here act like the keeper needs to have Silva's eye for a pass and execution to play in a Pep team. There's no top class keepers around that couldn't fit into Pep's system. It's all about making space and making yourself available, if Joe doesn't have simple passes that anybody can make on at all times then it's the defenders that aren't doing their jobs properly not the keeper.

 

[twoddlehopper]

The whole keeper needs to be able to play thing is vastly over exaggerated on here. The keeper in Peps previous sides didn't have much more involvement in the game than keepers of other top teams. Valdes barely touched the ball at Barca, he just had to make himself available if it was required and play simple square passes and possibly create a triangle if the opposition is closing from the front. Neuer is a bit different because he loves to often needlessly charge out of his box aand involve himself in the game like no other keeper.

The keeper in Peps side simply needs to be comfortable on the ball which is more about confidence than anything else, and Joe has plenty of that (some would argue too much at times) he'll be playing 10 yard square passes most of the time with the odd chipped 20-30 yard pass. We've seen from training clips the keepers are now involved with the rest of the first teams rondo's at the start of training which is as tough as it'll get for whoever's in net. Some on here act like the keeper needs to have Silva's eye for a pass and execution to play in a Pep team. There's no top class keepers around that couldn't fit into Pep's system. It's all about making space and making yourself available, if Joe doesn't have simple passes that anybody can make on at all times then it's the defenders that aren't doing their jobs properly not the keeper.

Couldn't agree more my good man.

 

[mosssideblue]

The whole keeper needs to be able to play thing is vastly over exaggerated on here. The keeper in Peps previous sides didn't have much more involvement in the game than keepers of other top teams. Valdes barely touched the ball at Barca, he just had to make himself available if it was required and play simple square passes and possibly create a triangle if the opposition is closing from the front. Neuer is a bit different because he loves to often needlessly charge out of his box aand involve himself in the game like no other keeper.

The keeper in Peps side simply needs to be comfortable on the ball which is more about confidence than anything else, and Joe has plenty of that (some would argue too much at times) he'll be playing 10 yard square passes most of the time with the odd chipped 20-30 yard pass. We've seen from training clips the keepers are now involved with the rest of the first teams rondo's at the start of training which is as tough as it'll get for whoever's in net. Some on here act like the keeper needs to have Silva's eye for a pass and execution to play in a Pep team. There's no top class keepers around that couldn't fit into Pep's system. It's all about making space and making yourself available, if Joe doesn't have simple passes that anybody can make on at all times then it's the defenders that aren't doing their jobs properly not the keeper.

You may or may not be right but how does that tally with us being linked with keepers who have proven footballing abilities? Gen Q btw

 

[eversince 76]

The whole keeper needs to be able to play thing is vastly over exaggerated on here. The keeper in Peps previous sides didn't have much more involvement in the game than keepers of other top teams. Valdes barely touched the ball at Barca, he just had to make himself available if it was required and play simple square passes and possibly create a triangle if the opposition is closing from the front. Neuer is a bit different because he loves to often needlessly charge out of his box aand involve himself in the game like no other keeper.

The keeper in Peps side simply needs to be comfortable on the ball which is more about confidence than anything else, and Joe has plenty of that (some would argue too much at times) he'll be playing 10 yard square passes most of the time with the odd chipped 20-30 yard pass. We've seen from training clips the keepers are now involved with the rest of the first teams rondo's at the start of training which is as tough as it'll get for whoever's in net. Some on here act like the keeper needs to have Silva's eye for a pass and execution to play in a Pep team. There's no top class keepers around that couldn't fit into Pep's system. It's all about making space and making yourself available, if Joe doesn't have simple passes that anybody can make on at all times then it's the defenders that aren't doing their jobs properly not the keeper.

Agree, especially on the "needs to be able to play" thing. Same with a player that is or isn't a "Pep-player". Doesn't take away we are linked with other goalkeepers esp. after Harts' poor tournament in France. I wonder how serious these rumors turn out to be ...

 

[schfc6]

The whole keeper needs to be able to play thing is vastly over exaggerated on here. The keeper in Peps previous sides didn't have much more involvement in the game than keepers of other top teams. Valdes barely touched the ball at Barca, he just had to make himself available if it was required and play simple square passes and possibly create a triangle if the opposition is closing from the front. Neuer is a bit different because he loves to often needlessly charge out of his box aand involve himself in the game like no other keeper.

The keeper in Peps side simply needs to be comfortable on the ball which is more about confidence than anything else, and Joe has plenty of that (some would argue too much at times) he'll be playing 10 yard square passes most of the time with the odd chipped 20-30 yard pass. We've seen from training clips the keepers are now involved with the rest of the first teams rondo's at the start of training which is as tough as it'll get for whoever's in net. Some on here act like the keeper needs to have Silva's eye for a pass and execution to play in a Pep team. There's no top class keepers around that couldn't fit into Pep's system. It's all about making space and making yourself available, if Joe doesn't have simple passes that anybody can make on at all times then it's the defenders that aren't doing their jobs properly not the keeper.

Couldn't agree more. People are making out like Pep requires his keeper to be some sort of Pirlo.

Hart has perhaps struggled with distribution as what Pep asks isn't common or for that matter ever been seen in the Premier League.

Offer him three options everytime he gets the ball and he's more than good enough with his feet.
If Pep builds Joe's confidence in himself and in his team mates playing out from the back will be fairly simple.

Where he may struggle, if Pep wants him to play so far off his line like Neuer. That's more about reading the game.
Direct football in England is far more common than in Spain or Germany and I think even Neuer would get caught out in England.
I think a solid keeper who knows the league and physicality of the league will win you(lose you less) points than a continental keeper.

Pep's no fool, he won't want Dave Bessant but I doubt he'd want Valderama either.
For me, with a little coaching and confidence from his manager Hart will be just fine.