Mark Clattenburg

[Matty]

This brings up the old "interfering with play" chestnut!
Nasri was undoubtedly offside when Dzeko shot - but by any standards - since he was not in the keeper's line of sight and did not have to make any movement to avoid the player or the ball- was not interfering with play.
Since the ball struck the keeper and rebounded to Nas , then that would have made him active and since the ball was last played by an opponent before it came to him , he was onside.

He has gained an advantage so was correctly flagged offside ...

"“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means:

Playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar, having previously been in an offside position.

Playing a ball, that rebounds to him off an opponent, having previously been in an offside position."

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/5. law 11_554.pdf

That surely renders redundant the idea that you can be played onside by an opponent touching the ball last before you receive it?

In some instances yes, in others no.

If you were in an offside position when a teammate either had a shot, or tried to pass to you, and subsequently the ball hits an opponent, then you are still deemed to be offside. If however you are in an offside position and an opponent plays the ball without any involvement from one of your teammates then you are not offside. The offside rules are rules which are to be applied ONLY when a teammate has tried to play the ball, if an opponent plays the ball then you don't need to consider any of the offside rules, so it doesn't matter whether you are in an offside position, whether you are gaining an advantage or anything else.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

He has gained an advantage so was correctly flagged offside ...

"“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means:

Playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar, having previously been in an offside position.

Playing a ball, that rebounds to him off an opponent, having previously been in an offside position."

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/5. law 11_554.pdf

That surely renders redundant the idea that you can be played onside by an opponent touching the ball last before you receive it?

Nasri was in an offside position as Dzeko shot, but was not interfering with play and therefore play continues. When the ball rebounds to him, he becomes offside (unless he chooses not to play the ball). So in effect "offside" is not the same as "being in an offside position".

If he was in an offside position and the opposition player "played" the ball to him, he would NOT have been offside.

Either way it is crazy, and I feel for the officials on some of these technicalities as they have just a second to make a decision.

 

[fathellensbellend]

3 match-changing errors from a so-called top referee all in the favour of one team in a single game. What are the odds on that?

normally i would say quite high, but when it's on the back of the 3 game changing decisions at anfield, then i for one wasn't i the least bit suprised, certainly time for city to request he is kept off our matches, he clearly cannot help himself

 

[Marvin]

No I wasn't surprised either but those who claim it evens itself out and it's just luck are also wrong

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

FICKFUFA has ficked up the offside law by tinkering with it season after season to the extent that few have any faith in a simple, black and white application of this law. There is now more interpretation and consequently games, referees and fans can see an application of the law applied one week and then disapplied the next.

 

[Bill]

Im another who doesnt think it was a foul on Kompany. If thats a foul every corner is a foul.

had it been the other way round clattencheat would have pointed to the spot with glee.

 

[cookster]

When will we hear if Pelle is charged for calling Clattenc@nt incompetent?

 

[ATXMCFan]

...Yields around half a million results on google from a few different clubs/fans/sources. Just sayin.
I'm surprised such an assertion with no basis in the truth is so widespread on the net - even 'savile paedo' only yields about 85k results.

Just out of interest, how many results when you type in other refs? Does Clattenburg get significantly more results?

Chris Foy and Lee Mason both get nearly 500k results. Martin Atkinson, 400k. Mike Dean, 266k. Lee Probert, 766k. Phil Dowd, over 800k. Andre Marriner, 1.2m. Howard Webb is the standout winner though with well over 1.4 million. It's possible, of course, that he just happens to have refereed more games featuring Darren Bent than anyone else. Interestingly, in almost every search, this forum comes near the top of the search results, which probably says a lot about us.

Actually the standout winner is Roger East (who?) who gets 163 million results. Although it's possible that not all of those are related to football.

This forum is near the top because Google knows you want to see this forum. Its how the internet works.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Just out of interest, how many results when you type in other refs? Does Clattenburg get significantly more results?

Chris Foy and Lee Mason both get nearly 500k results. Martin Atkinson, 400k. Mike Dean, 266k. Lee Probert, 766k. Phil Dowd, over 800k. Andre Marriner, 1.2m. Howard Webb is the standout winner though with well over 1.4 million. It's possible, of course, that he just happens to have refereed more games featuring Darren Bent than anyone else. Interestingly, in almost every search, this forum comes near the top of the search results, which probably says a lot about us.

Actually the standout winner is Roger East (who?) who gets 163 million results. Although it's possible that not all do those are related to football.

This forum is near the top because Google knows you want to see this forum. Its how the internet works.

Reckon he's been spending too much time with stupid.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

He has gained an advantage so was correctly flagged offside ...

"“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means:

Playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar, having previously been in an offside position.

Playing a ball, that rebounds to him off an opponent, having previously been in an offside position."

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/5. law 11_554.pdf

That surely renders redundant the idea that you can be played onside by an opponent touching the ball last before you receive it?

Nasri was in an offside position as Dzeko shot, but was not interfering with play and therefore play continues. When the ball rebounds to him, he becomes offside (unless he chooses not to play the ball). So in effect "offside" is not the same as "being in an offside position".

If he was in an offside position and the opposition player "played" the ball to him, he would NOT have been offside.

Either way it is crazy, and I feel for the officials on some of these technicalities as they have just a second to make a decision.

So what is the goalie doing while coming out to block the shot? Attempting not to play the ball?