Martin Demichelis

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Neville Kneville said:
Judge Roughneck said:
Dax777 said:
Fantastic reasoning there! Let's judge him on making 3 terrible passes in his 2nd game back against Norrich. And then deem him inferior. But how about we examine the whole fact.

Pass Accuracy
Lescott 88.2
Demichelis: 89.5

As it turns out, even with the syrup like back passes by Lescott, and the gaffe passes by MDM in his first 2 games with us, as it turns out, MDM still keeps possession at a higher rate than Lescott. So much for the silly argument that he gives up the ball too often.

Average passes per game
MDM 56.1
Lesscott 48.6

As it turns out, MDM in spite of more forward passes, more possession play and more incisive attack staring plays, still gives up possession less than Lescott.

Oh just for good measure, outside of City's goalies (Hart and Pants) MDM is the only other player this season that is yet to be dispossessed of he ball while on it. Not only is he good going forward with the ball, he is extremely intelligent and safe with it.

As for turnovers, I.e his balls being intercepted by the opposition, only Garicia has a lower rate of turnovers
At 0.2 he passes to the opposition less often than Lescott or any of our other defenders do.

In short, statistically speaking, he dwarfs Lescott in every significant category.
Better passer, better in possession, better starting attacks, more tackles won, more interceptions made, more touches on the ball per game, better passing decisions with the ball, better pass completion rates, won more offsides per game, better at reading the game, better in the air, loses possession less, better set piece threat.

In short he is a better footballer than Lescott in Every Sense of the word. The stats are not lying. You are watching a superior footballer in MDM. And when Nasty returns, MDM will probably start in all the big games.

Oh and for good measure, he is rated as our best defender this season. This is not a fluke. He has been playing that well, while many continue to nitpick at his mistakes from 2 months ago.

Sorry, MDM starts every game if available.

Dax, that's a compelling argument you make there bud. The only thing I take issue with is that I think you may have me down as one of those fans who must have a whipping boy in the team, and that's not the case. I did say that I didn't expect the world from MDM as he is a 4 million player that changed clubs on a free not 12 months ago.
With that in mind he's holding up quite well.
Statistics paint a definitive picture on paper but I'm a bit old fashioned and tend to rely on what I see and from what I've seen I still MDM isn't the answer. However, I guarantee that I I will support him in a blue shirt but I still think Lescott is steadier alongside Kompany whilst Nastasic is out.
If I'm wrong I'll gladly hold my hands up.

It's not a compelling argument at all.

It's 'football manager' childish fantasy horseshit.

Pellegrini obviously picks him because he plays a different style, a bit like a midfielder at times, & it suits his plan, in spite of the dangerous & sometimes fucking hopeless defensive frailties.

Fine, that's his choice. But to make out he's so far been a solid defender is just complete crap.

Sky have just shown some 'highlights' of him in action at Fulham & it's bloody garbage. Missing interceptions & causing problems for his team mates over & over & over again.
Hansen said it, ex CITY goalkeeper Shay Given said it, Souness, basically any fucker who knows anything about defending at all, you won't find ONE person, not ONE, who will tell you that what he is doing is corrrect apart from some apologists amongst City fans.

Pellegrini has chosen to play a dodgy defender at centre back, for his attacking qualities, as Brazil do with Luiz. He thinks it's better for our system. That's it, plain & simple.

The rest is a load of utter bullshit.
How is that fifa manager bullshit ! He obviously has a case when he says MDM has a better conversion pass rate than Lescott ! I think he got it spot on with his stats. Yes Lescott might be a better defender for some (I personally don't think, some of the people here do) but he doesn't suit our style.

I thought our problem was the space between the mids and the defenders and honestly I think MDM does a WAY better job of occupying that area instead of Lescott. Put Lescott in and he will just hold outside the box and then you can have runners all over the area between Yaya and the CB's.
 
He's been here for several months now. When will people start spelling his name right?
 
Kladze said:
He's been here for several months now. When will people start spelling his name right?
I copied and pasted off Cheesy's account on Twitter. Forgive me for not noticing the spelling was wrong. Fucking hell
 
Sky Blue said:
Kladze said:
He's been here for several months now. When will people start spelling his name right?
I copied and pasted off Cheesy's account on Twitter. Forgive me for not noticing the spelling was wrong. Fucking hell
It was just an observation, mate, and it was meant to be with tongue in cheek. I didn't quote you, as it wasn't directed at you personally, but I've just seen so many different spellings on here. It's just plain weird, as you would expect the supporters to get the names of the players right. I've seen i.e. DeMichelis, DiMichelis, Demichellis, Demichaelis, etc.
 
Fucking hell I was hoping him in and Zabaletta out against us. The bastard pellegrini did reverse...... :-)
 
Beermonster said:
M24 Citizen said:
cleavers said:
After a whole 6 games in the PL (and 2 in europe ?), do you think he might still be adjusting to the pace of our league ? How many different partners has he had in those 6 games as well ?

Looks good back up to me, he's certainly not slow running wise, I think I might give him a few more games yet before believing anyone declaring him our worst ever defender......given some of the shite I've seen.

He's actually got some of the same qualities/instincts that make Vinny such a world class defender. The only thing is that Vinny does it very convincingly and always has your confidence that nobody is getting past him. Saying that, Osvaldo is the first player I've seen have Vinny off since I can remember!

Yes I have not said he is a bad player...just pointing out a few faults I have noticed. As M24 says the way that Vinny is able to jump in and win the ball which makes him World Class, Demichelis is also capable of this...but it has been mistimed a few times which leaves us extremely vulnerable at the back.
The short term solution comment was directed at his age, and as I said he is a good back up but not the answer.

Seen Motd picked up on this after the Fulham game about Him diving in..Lescott is better defensively for me, but Demichelis is very comfortable on the ball and complements the way City build from the back.
 
RedAgger said:
Fucking hell I was hoping him in and Zabaletta out against us. The bastard pellegrini did reverse...... :-)
Demichelis is a lot lot better than Hansen made out. 8 seasons at Bayern Munich and last season was regarded as best defender in Spain.

City's results away from home improved when MDM came back into the team. A ball playing central defender who puts himself on the line
 
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