Martin Demichelis

[quiet_riot]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

Milner.

Was.

Suspended.

 

[aguero93:20]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

Milner.

Was.

Suspended.

We need to put it in the title of every thread.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Some of the comments blaming MDM are ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that some people cannot accept that he had a fantastic game until being forced into making the challenge. The challenge he had to make was from a mistake by Kompany, who still had an awesome game despite that, but that seems to be forgotten because MDM is the scapegoat and easy to blame.

Last 2 games he has played against Barca and against Chelsea had was fantastic. Against Barca his high pressure and energy, forcing the attackers back and winning the ball in other situations was brilliant.
Against chelsea he was employed as a Centre mid and despite have little or no experience in that role was fantastic again, winning many tackles in midfield, it was just his mobility which let him down, but what can you expect from a centre half? He is hardly Aguero in terms of pace and turning.

Some arent even interested in supporting him. Ok, he has had some poor games, but he has also had some very good games, but even these are ignored and instead, 1 second of the match is focused upon, like the red card.
It seems as if the only way Demichelis can get some fans on his side is if he scores a perfect hat-trick at the Nou Camp, including a 40 yard bicycle kick and then sort everyone out enough points for a cup final ticket.

Get off his back and get behind him and the rest of the team.

MCFC OK!!!

Spot on. Nuff Said.

I also agree ,anyone who would put Joleon in before him in that type of game is clueless !

Gonna need some faith in him because he will be playing the next game vs Barca

 

[the originalkippaxman]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

Your argument started strongly and nearly got yourself embraced and loved by a section of the City fraternity.

Though then you threw in Milner which can only bring hard core evidence that you young man are a FUCKING RAG

 

[TCIB]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

The CoC prevent me from telling you how you are viewed by myself and at least steviemc also.
In fact i doubt your blue and i await your next post.

@Bruun <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5-2013/matches/738759/player-stats/15312/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5- ... per-anchor</a>

Here is MD's stats from the match.

 

[aguero93:20]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

Your argument started strongly and nearly got yourself embraced and loved by a section of the City fraternity.

Though then you threw in Milner which can only bring hard core evidence that you young man are a FUCKING RAG

Basing his opinion on what idiot pundits say = armchair fan = ??? (three letters, one vowel)

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

The CoC prevent me from telling you how you are viewed by myself and at least steviemc also.
In fact i doubt your blue and i await your next post.

@Bruun <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5-2013/matches/738759/player-stats/15312/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5- ... per-anchor</a>

Here is MD's stats from the match.

Bit of fence sitting by FFT on the old peno decision there

 

[aguero93:20]

Pellegrini is blaming the defeat on the referee. P is shaming himself - the one to blame is P himself - because of his one-eyed love of MD, his (too) old (and too slow) pal from his old club.
Anyone from the subst. bench would do a better job, Garcia, Millner etc.
Open your eyes Manuel, every pundit questions your judgment on MD! He is costing City goals, points and defeats.

The CoC prevent me from telling you how you are viewed by myself and at least steviemc also.
In fact i doubt your blue and i await your next post.

@Bruun <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5-2013/matches/738759/player-stats/15312/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/5- ... per-anchor</a>

Here is MD's stats from the match.

Bit of fence sitting by FFT on the old peno decision there

Still looks outside the box to me :D

 

[steviemc]

So how many tackles and interceptions did he make? Not many. Again, I don't think he played badly up to the red card, but you really do need to watch the first half and how many balls he gave away. Now he wasn't alone, but to argue that he had a "fantastic game" is frankly preposterous. And in case you don't want to listen to me, find me one single match report that says any different.

Where have people argued that he had a fantastic game? It's poor form to cherry-pick a single post to validate your opinion, or to make one up.

You've had your match report (previous poster), but I guarantee you'll either disregard it, or take words out of context to suit. People who take an interest in the attributes of the players are not saying MD is excellent and had a fantastic game, likewise they're not saying that he didn't make an error in the sending-off which may have affected the outcome of the game.

Having a selective view of errors made during games without balancing it against overall play is naive in the extreme. MP obviously doesn't have a book where he ticks off the number of errors in a match and selects on that basis, he looks at the broad defensive picture. Unless of course he doesn't select players based on merit but because they're his favourite. The posters suggesting this can probably be forgiven though, as it's generally presumed they're under 12 years of age.

 

[blueyorkie]

In brief I believe that much of the criticism of MDM is over the top. I don't think that he's the solution for our back 4 but it doesn't help anyone to be constantly crticised.

 

[kp789]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

 

[hgblue]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

I agree with the first sentence.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I agree he should not be getting abuse JP, but that does not mean he should not be getting criticism.

The fact is, he made a stupid mistake in trying to tackle Messi in the way he did and it cost us the match, and probably the tie. It is not reasonable to ask City fans to not talk about this or to say anything critical.

A player of MDM's experience should not be making mistakes like that. 1-0 we could have lived with (and who knows Joe may have saved it. 1-0 and 10 men was curtains. It's all been said before I know.

 

[Airbags Optional]

The criticism of MDM IMO is totally over the top. MP brought him in to implement his new high line defending and help the others adapt as he knows MDM is comfortable with this. Unfortunately MDM got injured before he played for us and therefore he has not had the luxury of learning the league, instead he has adapted pretty quickly and helped the team understand how to play the high line, whilst making some mistakes on the way. MDM also has not helped himself with some of his diving in antics, but at 32 he will not change the way he plays, if he thinks that he can win the ball he will "dive" in and try to get it - 95% he is sucessful the rest fuels the whinging on here. MDM is immense in the air, can pass and has generally good positional play, at this time he is the best partner for Vinnie - Lescott is a defender and not a footballer, Nasty is young and gettig to grips with a new way of playing and injurues this season.

What has also not helped MDM is the fact that he did not cost £20 mill! Some views on here seem to be based purely on computer games - we need to spend 35mil on this defender, have another 40 mill on a centre mid and swap Edin with Suarez! This is real life and it does not work like that, MP spent relatively little on MDM in the summer as he knew he could assist in the change in play, which I think he has, he may get replaced by a big money signing in the summer, but he will still be important to MP in the squad.

Finally Barca - yes he made a decision which was wrong which led to the sending off and yes in the first 10 mins he gave the ball away a fe times, but then so did EVERYONE on the city team. But I have read that "fans" saying his positional play was the reason for the goal, I disagree - the goal came from the fact that Jesus lost it in a bad area after receiving the ball from Vinnie. Vinnie was deep after playing the ball, so all the team were pushing out (including MDM), this left Messi "unmarked" and once Barca stole the ball from Jesus we had 2 centre defenders out of position. MDM tried to get back but could not reach Messi in time and should have not dived in and tried to push him wide, but at least he tried to get back! So if anyone is at fault it is either Jesus or Vinnie - Jesus for losing the ball or Vinnie for playing the ball to Jesus which was risky.

 

[CatMan]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

You are spot on. We need to stop making scapegoats, however we never will!

Marsh in the 70's
Power in the 80's
Edghill in the 90's
Vassell in the 00's

and now Demichelis.

Sure he is not the best Centre Half in the world, but also he is not the worst player in our current team.

In short, I believe most blues realise he is actually a decent player, although as a centre half, playing against against speed, he does struggle. The problem is the the press, they have decided Demichelis is to become the whipping boy and subsequently a lot of narrow minded blue, who it appears fail to analyse the bigger aspects of play, watch countless re-runs of him fouling Messi and then decide he is in fact the Anti-Christ!

Certainly a witch hunt of any player will do nothing for their future performance and anyone who remembers the capitulation of Richard Edghill will now what I mean.

 

[aguero93:20]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

You are spot on. We need to stop making scapegoats, however we never will!

Marsh in the 70's
Power in the 80's
Edghill in the 90's
Vassell in the 00's

and now Demichelis.

Sure he is not the best Centre Half in the world, but also he is not the worst player in our current team.

In short, I believe most blues realise he is actually a decent player, although as a centre half, playing against against speed, he does struggle. The problem is the the press, they have decided Demichelis is to become the whipping boy and subsequently a lot of narrow minded blue, who it appears fail to analyse the bigger aspects of play, watch countless re-runs of him fouling Messi and then decide he is in fact the Anti-Christ!

Certainly a witch hunt of any player will do nothing for their future performance and anyone who remembers the capitulation of Richard Edghill will now what I mean.

Vassell deserved it. :)

 

[the old abbey]

Fact is hes a liability.everyone other than pellegrini were worried about mdm playing a centre back.he was found out with the lack of pace in timing the tackle.we should of broke the bank in january for a class centre half. that could become our downfall in Europe and possibly the premiership.

-- Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:09 pm --

Fact is hes a liability.everyone other than pellegrini were worried about mdm playing a centre back.he was found out with the lack of pace in timing the tackle.we should of broke the bank in january for a class centre half. that could become our downfall in Europe abd possibly the premiership.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

You are spot on. We need to stop making scapegoats, however we never will!

Marsh in the 70's
Power in the 80's
Edghill in the 90's
Vassell in the 00's

and now Demichelis.

Sure he is not the best Centre Half in the world, but also he is not the worst player in our current team.

In short, I believe most blues realise he is actually a decent player, although as a centre half, playing against against speed, he does struggle. The problem is the the press, they have decided Demichelis is to become the whipping boy and subsequently a lot of narrow minded blue, who it appears fail to analyse the bigger aspects of play, watch countless re-runs of him fouling Messi and then decide he is in fact the Anti-Christ!

Certainly a witch hunt of any player will do nothing for their future performance and anyone who remembers the capitulation of Richard Edghill will now what I mean.

I dont remember Vassell being a scapegoat. We all knew how limited he was but he always tried
As for current scapegoats MDM gets it easy compared to what Dzeko has gone through or Nasri last season or Kolarov up to this season or Hart this season, Savic a few years back, Adebayor, Robinho, Elano, RSC to a point. Jovetic has had a few doubters.

 

[the originalkippaxman]

Fact is hes a liability.everyone other than pellegrini were worried about mdm playing a centre back.he was found out with the lack of pace in timing the tackle.we should of broke the bank in january for a class centre half. that could become our downfall in Europe and possibly the premiership.

-- Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:09 pm --

Fact is hes a liability.everyone other than pellegrini were worried about mdm playing a centre back.he was found out with the lack of pace in timing the tackle.we should of broke the bank in january for a class centre half. that could become our downfall in Europe abd possibly the premiership.

Just to highlight a couple of things firstly you have no proof that this is a fact all you have is 1 bad judgement and a poor game when he was left wanting by Yaya.

Also all the best CB were already playing in the CL so too late for this season

 

[Lucky Toma]

I think this thread is starting to highlight those with football knowledge and those without much.

One single incident in an entire match does not make it a bad performance! Kompany made mistakes in that game, but was phenomenal. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta made mistakes in that game.

I have seen strikers score 4 goals in a game and miss a sitter, yet they still put in an amazing performance.

The reason that people are blaming MDM is for two reasons. Firstly, they cannot accept that City are not the greatest team in the world and were undone by a well drilled team with some of the greatest players of our generation. (Some are starting to sound like un*ted 'fans')
Secondly, certain fans already have a dislike for MDM and look for any excuse to use him as the scapegoat and blame him for anything which goes wrong.

Give your heads a wobble! He plays for City and therefore you should support him, not just wait for him to fail. It is sickening the treatment that this bloke gets of some moronic people. Applaud what he does well and encourage when he needs it.

I find it hard to think that this is the same fan base that was watching City play Crewe with me 13 years ago.

I dislike every single word of this. From the hackneyed 'starting to sound like United fans' to the yawnsome, entirely flawed comparison to our recent past (because hey we used to just accept everything and never used to complain once in the dark old days. I recall us applauding the winning side off after each defeat and saying a collective 'Hard lines City but you gave it your best')

But mostly it's the arrogance wrapped around ignorance. You say something entirely wrong then claim if someone differs from your incorrect viewpoint they must, by default, know nothing about the game.

MDM had a generally decent first half and made some important intuitive interceptions that were peppered by examples of poor distribution. Mainly though he played - as per - on the front foot and - for once - his timing was largely impressive.
But his mistake defined his performance. His mistake changed the entire narrative of the tie and our Champions League pursuit. His mistake was extremely costly.

In this instance one single incident DOES warrant criticism just as Hart's rush to the head justified rebuke after Chelsea away.

It was a mindless, incredibly stupid decision to commit to a challenge he could never hope to pull off. From the moment he chose to commit - and bear in mind this seasoned veteran at the highest level then had an extra few seconds to pull out - a sending off was inevitable.

Far worse than conceding - and whose to say Hart wouldnt have blocked Messi's effort - at that moment in the game was to lose a man. And MDM CHOSE this option.

So the reason I'm blaming him for our defeat is not because I consider us the greatest team in the world - as you state - but rather because he was to blame.