Martin Samuel today in the mail.

[Blue Tooth]

I don't have any beef with players giving it out...I thought Ade's celebration against Arsenal was OK too...I think what some folk are suggesting here is that the article by MS makes this point but omits Rooney's slide towards the City fans in order to do so.
If Ade's slide was punishable should Rooney's be too? Is it about length of slide or intention? When RVP's free kick hit the net Rooney set off towards the City fans and not by accident. I watched it from CB 326. Personally I don't give a f@ck but if the FA have already deemed that an actionable offense then he should receive a similar punishment to Ade or the system is flawed.

 

[cheddar404]

Fucking hell, mate. If Rooney celebrated in such a manner as displaying THAT t-shirt, he'd deserve whatever reactions fans deemed neccessary. This is fuck all like that though.

He'd been on the receiving end of verbal abuse for 90 minutes, as per every Derby, and unsurprisingly felt the need to give a little bit back by celebrating a last minute winner by sliding on his knees in front for the same fans that had barracked him all game. That's all.

Like I said earlier, if he'd gestured the wanker sign, stuck up the v's or did a Cantona, then he deserves punishing. But basically sticking one on the same fans who've riled him all game just by knee sliding infront of you does, in no way, deserve objecs to be thrown in their direction.

Like I say, it's an extreme example to make the point of the massive influence that players have over crowd disorder. Does Rooney deserve to have stuff thrown at him for doing running towards City fans and sliding on the floor? Of course not but deliberately going out of your way to celebrate in front of opposing fans in a match like that is irresponsible. He knows it too even though he's clearly as thick as pig shit; that's why he does it.

If he's reacting to being given a tirade of abuse for 90mins then I don't blame him for doing so.

Obviously this is not on the same scale, but a few years ago in Sunday League, a load of opposition were calling me a fat **** all game (plump may have been more apt to be honest) and I managed to score late on to get the win. What did I do? I ran past the lot of them and said, in a commentary like voice, "and what a winner from the fat ****!!!".

Why did I do it? I guess I felt compelled to respond in some way. After all, it's only banter. Had I celebrated by running up to one of them and did a Cantona-esque kick, I'd have expected a kicking, in the same way had Rooney dont more than just a knee slide I'd have expected more than a few words from the crowd.

Whether it's just me, I don't know, but the way I see it, if I'm prepared to insult an opposing player for 90mins, it shouldn't surprise me to see said player react should he be given the reason to do so. The moment said player takes it to an extreme level like Cantona did is when it's gone too far, in the same way when a fan throws a missile at a player, that's gone too far, too.

What's the worst that happens in that situation though? Maybe one of the lads on the line is a nutter and you get twatted. Rooney has the power depending on his actions to incite disorder amongst 47000 people. In addition, Rooney is paid £250k a week to not only score goals and win trophies for United but to behave in a reasonable manner as an ambassador for his club.

You and i are essentially singing only slightly different songs off the same hymm sheet. All I'm saying is that it should at least be acknowledged that it really doesn't help the situation. Didn't Neville get done for doing similar against the scousers?

 

[TFC]

TFC's easy fix -

Bring back the 1 pound note. Make everything available in shops for exactly 1 quid, 2 quid etc. An amnesty on coins, hand em in for notes. Encourage current tender to become collectible. No more change, No more coins to throw. Bob's your Uncle.

Who wants to throw their collectible coins at an ugly **** like Wayne Rooney?

;)

 

[Blootoof]

Hold on. Why does it take a few deaths before we put rd signs up, yet they want all clubs to spend a fortune putting nets up because one prick got a 2p coin to his fod?

This country's fuckin mad

 

[tommo74]

What about that cock evra? Last season scum beat Liverpool, and that knob went straight for suarez jumping up and down in front of him goading him to the point he was led of the pitch, all of them are antagonizing knobs but always get away with it

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Like I say, it's an extreme example to make the point of the massive influence that players have over crowd disorder. Does Rooney deserve to have stuff thrown at him for doing running towards City fans and sliding on the floor? Of course not but deliberately going out of your way to celebrate in front of opposing fans in a match like that is irresponsible. He knows it too even though he's clearly as thick as pig shit; that's why he does it.

If he's reacting to being given a tirade of abuse for 90mins then I don't blame him for doing so.

Obviously this is not on the same scale, but a few years ago in Sunday League, a load of opposition were calling me a fat **** all game (plump may have been more apt to be honest) and I managed to score late on to get the win. What did I do? I ran past the lot of them and said, in a commentary like voice, "and what a winner from the fat ****!!!".

Why did I do it? I guess I felt compelled to respond in some way. After all, it's only banter. Had I celebrated by running up to one of them and did a Cantona-esque kick, I'd have expected a kicking, in the same way had Rooney dont more than just a knee slide I'd have expected more than a few words from the crowd.

Whether it's just me, I don't know, but the way I see it, if I'm prepared to insult an opposing player for 90mins, it shouldn't surprise me to see said player react should he be given the reason to do so. The moment said player takes it to an extreme level like Cantona did is when it's gone too far, in the same way when a fan throws a missile at a player, that's gone too far, too.

What's the worst that happens in that situation though? Maybe one of the lads on the line is a nutter and you get twatted. Rooney has the power depending on his actions to incite disorder amongst 47000 people. In addition, Rooney is paid £250k a week to not only score goals and win trophies for United but to behave in a reasonable manner as an ambassador for his club.

You and i are essentially singing only slightly different songs off the same hymm sheet. All I'm saying is that it should at least be acknowledged that it really doesn't help the situation. Didn't Neville get done for doing similar against the scousers?

I do see what you're saying and I do understand you're point about how celebrating like he did doesn't 'help' the situation.

On the flipside though, IMO, he should be able to do such a thing without being pelted with missiles. I don't buy into the 'he earns x amount therefore natural reation should fly out of the window' line. To the majority of players, as well as a job, it's a game they love and it should come as no surprise that they wish to give a bit of banter back. We're human beings after all.

I guess I'll just always stick to the argument of, "Don't give it out if you can't take it".

 

[cheddar404]

If he's reacting to being given a tirade of abuse for 90mins then I don't blame him for doing so.

Obviously this is not on the same scale, but a few years ago in Sunday League, a load of opposition were calling me a fat **** all game (plump may have been more apt to be honest) and I managed to score late on to get the win. What did I do? I ran past the lot of them and said, in a commentary like voice, "and what a winner from the fat ****!!!".

Why did I do it? I guess I felt compelled to respond in some way. After all, it's only banter. Had I celebrated by running up to one of them and did a Cantona-esque kick, I'd have expected a kicking, in the same way had Rooney dont more than just a knee slide I'd have expected more than a few words from the crowd.

Whether it's just me, I don't know, but the way I see it, if I'm prepared to insult an opposing player for 90mins, it shouldn't surprise me to see said player react should he be given the reason to do so. The moment said player takes it to an extreme level like Cantona did is when it's gone too far, in the same way when a fan throws a missile at a player, that's gone too far, too.

What's the worst that happens in that situation though? Maybe one of the lads on the line is a nutter and you get twatted. Rooney has the power depending on his actions to incite disorder amongst 47000 people. In addition, Rooney is paid £250k a week to not only score goals and win trophies for United but to behave in a reasonable manner as an ambassador for his club.

You and i are essentially singing only slightly different songs off the same hymm sheet. All I'm saying is that it should at least be acknowledged that it really doesn't help the situation. Didn't Neville get done for doing similar against the scousers?

I do see what you're saying and I do understand you're point about how celebrating like he did doesn't 'help' the situation.

On the flipside though, IMO, he should be able to do such a thing without being pelted with missiles. I don't buy into the 'he earns x amount therefore natural reation should fly out of the window' line. To the majority of players, as well as a job, it's a game they love and it should come as no surprise that they wish to give a bit of banter back. We're human beings after all.

I guess I'll just always stick to the argument of, "Don't give it out if you can't take it".

Clearly he should be able to but we all know football's not like that. We're not dealing with rational people. It's for that reason that Adebayor got into trouble for doing something very similar. I just don't get why Rooney gets to stay firmly under the radar. Even Neville was fined wasn't he?

 

[Blootoof]

What's the worst that happens in that situation though? Maybe one of the lads on the line is a nutter and you get twatted. Rooney has the power depending on his actions to incite disorder amongst 47000 people. In addition, Rooney is paid £250k a week to not only score goals and win trophies for United but to behave in a reasonable manner as an ambassador for his club.

You and i are essentially singing only slightly different songs off the same hymm sheet. All I'm saying is that it should at least be acknowledged that it really doesn't help the situation. Didn't Neville get done for doing similar against the scousers?

I do see what you're saying and I do understand you're point about how celebrating like he did doesn't 'help' the situation.

On the flipside though, IMO, he should be able to do such a thing without being pelted with missiles. I don't buy into the 'he earns x amount therefore natural reation should fly out of the window' line. To the majority of players, as well as a job, it's a game they love and it should come as no surprise that they wish to give a bit of banter back. We're human beings after all.

I guess I'll just always stick to the argument of, "Don't give it out if you can't take it".

Clearly he should be able to but we all know football's not like that. We're not dealing with rational people. It's for that reason that Adebayor got into trouble for doing something very similar. I just don't get why Rooney gets to stay firmly under the radar. Even Neville was fined wasn't he?

He probably leaves his house unlocked as he thinks no fucker should rob his house.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

What's the worst that happens in that situation though? Maybe one of the lads on the line is a nutter and you get twatted. Rooney has the power depending on his actions to incite disorder amongst 47000 people. In addition, Rooney is paid £250k a week to not only score goals and win trophies for United but to behave in a reasonable manner as an ambassador for his club.

You and i are essentially singing only slightly different songs off the same hymm sheet. All I'm saying is that it should at least be acknowledged that it really doesn't help the situation. Didn't Neville get done for doing similar against the scousers?

I do see what you're saying and I do understand you're point about how celebrating like he did doesn't 'help' the situation.

On the flipside though, IMO, he should be able to do such a thing without being pelted with missiles. I don't buy into the 'he earns x amount therefore natural reation should fly out of the window' line. To the majority of players, as well as a job, it's a game they love and it should come as no surprise that they wish to give a bit of banter back. We're human beings after all.

I guess I'll just always stick to the argument of, "Don't give it out if you can't take it".

Clearly he should be able to but we all know football's not like that. We're not dealing with rational people. It's for that reason that Adebayor got into trouble for doing something very similar. I just don't get why Rooney gets to stay firmly under the radar. Even Neville was fined wasn't he?

I suppose it depends on how the FA interpret it. Adebayor ran the whole length of the pitch with only one thing on his mind and he received a suspended ban since they could understand how much shit he was on the receiving end of.

As for Rooney, whether it was his intention as soon as RVP hit the freekick to celebrate infront of City or whether it was as he was running off to celebrate, I don't know, and maybe that's why the FA can't be sure of anything.

I'm not sure what Neville got fined for tbh. As far as I'm aware, he just kissed his badge whilst looking at the Liverpool fans. Regardless of whether I'm thought of as a twat by opposing fans, if I loved my club like he did United and I'd received as much shit off scousers as he did then I'd do the same thing.

I love a good celebration and I can fully understand why Adebayor, Rooney and Neville did what they did. It's the inconsistency of the FA and the punishments themselves I can't agree with. Obviously the Cantona punishment being justified.

 

[M18CTID]

What about that cock evra? Last season scum beat Liverpool, and that knob went straight for suarez jumping up and down in front of him goading him to the point he was led of the pitch, all of them are antagonizing knobs but always get away with it

And even Ferguson, in his post-match interview, said Evra shouldn't have done that.