Media Discussion - 2023/24

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SebastianBlue said:
I was only referring to the MEN article being wholly misleading; the research itself is empirical.

Now, I think there is an argument that the researchers may be pushing ethical boundaries to capitalise on football interest (and specifically currently popular distaste for our ownership) and get more exposure for their work by creating the ‘health outcomes league’ itself, but that is separate from the underlying data.

So, it seems, we’ve finally found something other than VAR we agree on. ;-)
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They are trying to raise the profile of their research into child poverty in the UK so they have used a football league table as a means drawing attention to it.

It’s a bit contrived and I generally consider the MEN to be a complete joke, but I don’t have much of an issue with this. No one can argue that there shouldn’t be such discrepancies in society in terms child poverty and health outcomes. Especially within a city like Manchester.

This isn’t a dig at the club it’s just highlighting one the most serious issues in society in a way the public can relate to.
 
The Lone Whalley Ranger said:
So we spend the whole summer haggling down Leipzig to make sure we don’t pay more for Gvardiol than Maguire cost. But Sly Sports weren’t to be outsmarted!

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Dias, Laporte, Walker and Stones havent worked out too badly....could have also made a case for Cancelo before his fall out.
 
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mcfcphil said:
They are trying to raise the profile of their research into child poverty in the UK so they have used a football league table as a means drawing attention to it.

It’s a bit contrived and I generally consider the MEN to be a complete joke, but I don’t have much of an issue with this. No one can argue that there shouldn’t be such discrepancies in society in terms child poverty and health outcomes. Especially within a city like Manchester.

This isn’t a dig at the club it’s just highlighting one the most serious issues in society in a way the public can relate to.
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Of course, and I wasn’t arguing there are not disparities. Nor was I saying they shouldn’t be highlighted. Though, as a retired data scientist, I still think the methods are dubious and the ends don’t necessarily justify the means when it comes to how the researchers chose to gain more exposure for their findings.

But my post was about the MEN article, which is a juvenile review at best, and intentionally misleading at worst (I imagine it is somewhere in between given the clubs involved).

No self-respecting researcher would take their write up seriously and just accepting it as “what media outlets do now” (i.e. wholly misrepresent research, data, or create a misleading narrative) is one of the reasons we are on the “no truth” quagmire we find ourselves trying to battle out of now.

It’s insidious specifically because many don’t even realise the authors are doing it (wilfully or because of incompetence).

Context is the last refuge of truth and it is under siege right now.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Of course, and I wasn’t arguing there are not disparities. Nor was I saying they shouldn’t be highlighted. Though, as a retired data scientist, I still think the methods are dubious and the ends don’t necessarily justify the means when it comes to how the researchers chose to gain more exposure for their findings.

But my post was about the MEN article, which is a juvenile review at best, and intentionally misleading at worst (I imagine it is somewhere in between given the clubs involved).

No self-respecting researcher would take their write up seriously and just accepting it as “what media outlets do now” (i.e. wholly misrepresent research, data, or create a misleading narrative) is one of the reasons we are on the “no truth” quagmire we find ourselves trying to battle out of now.

It’s insidious specifically because many don’t even realise the authors are doing it (wilfully or because of incompetence).

Context is the last refuge of truth and it is under siege right now.
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I agree to a large degree. I suppose the choice is whether we accept this research will only get column inches in the HSJ or whether it can be packaged for general public consumption while keeping its integrity and where the balance lies.
 
mcfcphil said:
They are trying to raise the profile of their research into child poverty in the UK so they have used a football league table as a means drawing attention to it.

It’s a bit contrived and I generally consider the MEN to be a complete joke, but I don’t have much of an issue with this. No one can argue that there shouldn’t be such discrepancies in society in terms child poverty and health outcomes. Especially within a city like Manchester.

This isn’t a dig at the club it’s just highlighting one the most serious issues in society in a way the public can relate to.
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Yep but they use us has the fucking tool to highlight it. Is that the way to report anything of value?. The media and I’m talking the one that I use to read and was our local paper for years is not fit for purpose. Manchester evening news and the Manchester Guardian where the people who looked out for the Manchester people not anymore. Should be confined to the bin.
 
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