Media Thread - 2021/22

[Metalartin]

Someone really ought to do some "important research" into the vested interests in the current sports journalism landscape.

1) Do you believe a certain faction of journalists are serving the interests of certain groups?

a) Yes
b) Well duh!

2) Which most likely are these groups?

a) The cartel clubs of European football
b) The American owners of English football
c) The Qataris
d) All of the above

3) Do you believe there are financial incentives to their biases?

a) Some of them yes
b) To a man and it needs investigating. Check for any offshore accounts linked to any of them.

4) Do you believe there is a racial element to their biases also?

a) Possibly
b) Absolutely

5) Do you believe there should be a regulating body that deals with sanctioning media publications, when they lie about football clubs and attack their fans. So that the responsibility is not on the club/fans being attacked all the time?

a) Yes
b) Yes and there should be a 3 strike rule in place. Banning certain journalists from covering certain clubs for repeat offences.

 

[dickie davies]

Harris is obviously going to present this "research" as some serious and independent study of fan opinions. The question is "where ?".

As many have pointed out, the questions wouldn't have passed scrutiny for research at GCSE level so heaven knows who would take it seriously.

Having said that, the questions in the fan-led review survey were nearly as bad and Government is taking that seriously.

 

[Chris in London]

Some of these 'journalists' are operating a vendetta.

In the Judgment Harris references in his tweet, the judge described him this way:

“ Nick Harris is a sportswriter, researcher, and analyst, specialising in the business and finance of sport, particularly football. He provides evidence about the earnings that might be achieved by professional footballers. ”

It is noticeable that he does not describe him as a journalist.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

Yes, he gave evidence on potential earnings of the victims. The fact that he worked pro bono suggests to me that he volunteered his services rather than was asked to become involved. That, in itself, would be weird.

No wonder l am confused. He is an expert on players earnings.?Who was going to decide what level these kids would have attained? David White and Paul Stewart did well but most kids fall by the wayside. Someone brought up our Gary Mason on an unrelated matter the other day. Many people thought he would be a top player but he never made it. Its very difficult predicted the future for kids accurately for anyone least of a a prick like Harris.
As.most of the stuff was In the public domain why does the prick talk in so much veiled speech?
Thanks for your reply it gives me an extra reason to ignore this prick who is the epitome of the term "know nowt'.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Please do

Done. But toned it down a bit.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

What is t

Done. But toned it down a bit.

Was 'lNHAC?' a fair question to ask about this man part of the toning down?

 

[manchester blue]

It wasn't until I clicked on this that I realised I was blocked by him

Me too!

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

I know it's not far but what is gained by dragging Dave Guest and a camera crew out of a warm studio to stand shivering In front of Old Trafford just to give an hourly report on the Mason Greenwood situation? The only difference is that it becomes lighter in between reports.
I do hope old Dave gets the gig for his more usual position standing outside the Crown Court
giving daily updates on a trial.

 

[mrbelfry]

Anyone giving Harris grief because of his evidence in the Bennell case needs to give their head a wobble. Anyone who can't spot an obvious bias in his survey needs to check their pulse

 

[Blue Mist]

What case is he talking about? Bennell?
I can guess if involves us as he is a one trick pony with a one trick hobby horse but cannot see how he appears as a witness. He mentions working pro bono. That is a good way to admit no-one will pay him for his 'work'. It seems to be the journalistic equivalent of an unemployed or unemployable actor saying he is 'resting'.
Perhaps l am missing a lot because l don't use Twitter but l am not going to change that.

If you do find out what he is on about please let me know cos I ain't got a scooby. As you say, how can a journalist work pro bono?
Solicitors could give advice free even I suppose go to court and represent someone but a twitter writer!!!

 

[Blue Mist]

Yes, he gave evidence on potential earnings of the victims. The fact that he worked pro bono suggests to me that he volunteered his services rather than was asked to become involved. That, in itself, would be weird.

How does a journalist sorry sports writer, know how much a footballer might have earned? I could give similar 'expert' evidence, if only they'd asked.

 

[LongsightM13]

Yes, he gave evidence on potential earnings of the victims. The fact that he worked pro bono suggests to me that he volunteered his services rather than was asked to become involved. That, in itself, would be weird.

He and the plaintiffs’ lawyers tried to present himself to the court as an ‘expert’ witness, who has greater legal standing.
The judge said he wasn’t an expert witness.

 

[JASR]

Anyone giving Harris grief because of his evidence in the Bennell case needs to give their head a wobble. Anyone who can't spot an obvious bias in his survey needs to check their pulse

Giving ‘expert’ opinion is fine.

Doing it for free (surely expenses paid by court?) also fine.

Bragging about it, as though he’s the greatest thing - not fine.
That’s just an narcissist ego trip.

If any other person talked unprompted about his actions - completely fine.

.. and then using said ego trip to insinuate against a single club’s fans…

 

[Pezzer2]

Do you know, I don’t get any of this crap. I don’t do Twitter and the real fans that I know/meet up with have nothing but respect for what we’ve achieved, even if somewhat begrudging for the red ones.

It maybe me as I’m very fair to all clubs and willing to debate the issues, which you don’t really get on social media as the only thing they are after is ‘Likes’.

Best thing I’ve done is keep off Twitter for a while . I just dip into here for football news. I prefer to have a few beers with opposing fans who are normally reasonable with the exception of Villa fans at Wembley a couple of years back .

 

[petrusha]

Anyone giving Harris grief because of his evidence in the Bennell case needs to give their head a wobble.

I don't know whether anyone on Twitter has actually been attacking or abusing him because he gave evidence in the Bennell case. If so, it's reprehensible. He's perfectly at liberty to assist the claimants in the case and to testify in court on their behalf.

However, no one on here has been giving him grief (within my understanding of that term) on that score. One or two of us on this thread have derived wry amusement from the court declining to view the evidence he gave as "expert evidence" given that we regard him as a chancer whose self-proclaimed credentials as a source of specialist knowledge about the business of football are wildly overblown. Our reaction on that score is perfectly reasonable, I'd contend.

I assumed that was what his tirade about "lies" related to this morning, even though it's a matter of record that the court didn't treat him as an expert witness. I also suspect that it's a deliberate ploy on his part, a kind of pre-emptive strike to nullify anything we might happen to say about his hopelessly and embarrassingly (but no doubt deliberately) skewed fan survey that he's just announced.

 

[M18CTID]

Does this creature think he should get paid to give evidence in court? What a total idiot.

I also like how he implies that he was working flat out for the past 4 or 5 years and putting hundreds of man hours into it, when in all probability he spent a couple of hours cobbling some figures together on the back of a fag packet!

 

[Blue Mist]

I also like how he implies that he was working flat out for the past 4 or 5 years and putting hundreds of man hours into it, when in all probability he spent a couple of hours cobbling some figures together on the back of a fag packet!

Match box

 

[mrbelfry]

I don't know whether anyone on Twitter has actually been attacking or abusing him because he gave evidence in the Bennell case. If so, it's reprehensible. He's perfectly at liberty to assist the claimants in the case and to testify in court on their behalf.

However, no one on here has been giving him grief (within my understanding of that term) on that score.

Sorry I read his tweet claiming City fans were abusing him over the Bennell case and then posted about it on here ;) Clearly that was dumb and I wasn't trying to imply anything about bm

 

[Sky Blue Thinking]

we outnumbered them in their own ground in the fa cup a few seasons ago

Probably by about 2 to 1!

 

[Sky Blue Thinking]

No wonder l am confused. He is an expert on players earnings.?Who was going to decide what level these kids would have attained? David White and Paul Stewart did well but most kids fall by the wayside. Someone brought up our Gary Mason on an unrelated matter the other day. Many people thought he would be a top player but he never made it. Its very difficult predicted the future for kids accurately for anyone least of a a prick like Harris.
As.most of the stuff was In the public domain why does the prick talk in so much veiled speech?
Thanks for your reply it gives me an extra reason to ignore this prick who is the epitome of the term "know nowt'.

Prime example of kids falling by the wayside is the number of schoolboy internationals that go on to become full internationals. Talent alone does not gaurentee success, to make it players need to have the right lifestyle, fitness levels, mental strength, timing, luck etc. Saw an old photo recently of 3 schoolboy internationals, giggs, John Foster who played in PL for us before dropping down the leagues and another lad I wasnt aware of.