Media thread 2022/23

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Stiff Little Wingers said:
100% agree with you mate. There's 2 articles in the Guardian saying much the same. The bitterness and jealousy runs so deep.
This has been a magical era for City and English football - they never, ever mention how Pep has revolutionised the game in this country which is something the rags and German rags etc have not done
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Absolutely. There are plenty of teams all the way down the pyramid that have forsaken hit and hope hoofball and now play the ball out from the back.
 
M12Blue said:
'Too be considered a true great he needs to score 4 repeatedly'
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Many a true word spoken in jest, dear fellow Blue! Coming to a tabloid soon, maybe a follow up to the Jonathan Wilson piece in 'The Grauniad' even?!

Speaking of which, I don't know why we don't just get on with it and change our name to 'Manchester City, but..'

Wilson's article is nothing more than today's latest iteration of the media theme that began in 2008 when Sheikh Mansour bought the club. No matter what we do, or how well we do it, there always has to be a qualification, to keep us 'in our place', to tell us we're 'not quite there yet..'

Since the takeover it's been incessant, including:
* 'You may have a rich owner but wait until he gets bored'
* 'You may have won the FA Cup but you're not a top team until you win the title'
* 'You may have won the title but until you win it back-to-back you won't be a great team'
* 'You may have won the greatest number of points and scored the greatest number of goals in modern history but until you win the Champions League you'll never be truly great'
* 'You may have the greatest coach ever creating a team that plays the most innovative, expansive and attractive football ever but until you have the cachet and 'Istry of Liverpool and ManU you'll never be a top, top club'
..and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

Wilson's (and others') 'argument' is facile in the extreme. Responding to competitive excellence, in any field of human endeavour requires, at the very least, a RESPONSE. Don't whinge about things being unfair.. get on and do something about it, sharpen up your act and begin the process of emulating and (hopefully) exceeding that level of excellence you are up against. He offers nothing by way of HOW other teams might do things in response to what our club has achieved particularly under Guardiola.

But like so many in the UK sports media, Wilson would rather bang on like 'Kevin the Teenager' that everything is 'so unfair!' than give full and proper credit to what Guardiola and the team on and off the pitch have been achieving and continue to achieve.

And as local legal-eagle Judge Parry said (somewhat presciently?!) at the start of the 20th century, 'Don't tell us what you are going to do. Do it. For that is the Manchester habit..'
 
johnevans said:
Many a true word spoken in jest, dear fellow Blue! Coming to a tabloid soon, maybe a follow up to the Jonathan Wilson piece in 'The Grauniad' even?!

Speaking of which, I don't know why we don't just get on with it and change our name to 'Manchester City, but..'

Wilson's article is nothing more than today's latest iteration of the media theme that began in 2008 when Sheikh Mansour bought the club. No matter what we do, or how well we do it, there always has to be a qualification, to keep us 'in our place', to tell us we're 'not quite there yet..'

Since the takeover it's been incessant, including:
* 'You may have a rich owner but wait until he gets bored'
* 'You may have won the FA Cup but you're not a top team until you win the title'
* 'You may have won the title but until you win it back-to-back you won't be a great team'
* 'You may have won the greatest number of points and scored the greatest number of goals in modern history but until you win the Champions League you'll never be truly great'
* 'You may have the greatest coach ever creating a team that plays the most innovative, expansive and attractive football ever but until you have the cachet and 'Istry of Liverpool and ManU you'll never be a top, top club'
..and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

Wilson's (and others') 'argument' is facile in the extreme. Responding to competitive excellence, in any field of human endeavour requires, at the very least, a RESPONSE. Don't whinge about things being unfair.. get on and do something about it, sharpen up your act and begin the process of emulating and (hopefully) exceeding that level of excellence you are up against. He offers nothing by way of HOW other teams might do things in response to what our club has achieved particularly under Guardiola.

But like so many in the UK sports media, Wilson would rather bang on like 'Kevin the Teenager' that everything is 'so unfair!' than give full and proper credit to what Guardiola and the team on and off the pitch have been achieving and continue to achieve.

And as local legal-eagle Judge Parry said (somewhat presciently?!) at the start of the 20th century, 'Don't tell us what you are going to do. Do it. For that is the Manchester habit..'
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Someone on this morning's pod was claiming Haaland could actually be bad for Pep. Apparently if we win the CL, everyone will claim he could only win it with Messi and Haaland.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
So what about his salary. The top in their field get top wages, in all walks of life.
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According to this website, https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/manchester-city-f.c./ & https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/manchester-united-f.c./

Haaland is on the same wage as Sancho according to that site.
Haaland in his last match, coincidentally against Sancho, scores 3 goals and gives 2 assists.

Sancho in his entire Man Utd career of 47 games, has 8 goals and 3 assists.
So ones an attacker and ones a winger… you’d have expected Sancho to have less goals, but more assists…

I think the media needs to focus on someone not doing much …
 
This is the Guardians take on the beautiful football we played yesterday.

Or is there something more insidious at work, a financial determinism that, by relegating football itself behind foreign-policy objectives and profit, erodes the game?

A world in which 6-3 wins feel unexceptional is not a comfortable one.
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www.theguardian.com

Manchester City’s continuing dominance feels uncomfortably routine | Jonathan Wilson

United were lucky to lose the derby by only three in a game that posed important questions about the state of football
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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