Media thread 2022/23

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Benzino said:
Historically in PL transfers, the highest fees on average should sit around 10% of the total league spend for the year. This rule has remained quite consistent throughout the PL era. It also gives a good indication as to what players from the past would’ve roughly cost today, and also how expensive a top player actually should be in the current market climate right now. For example, last year, the league spent around, a combined £860M, the top signings Nunez was £85M, so 10% of the total spend, and Anthony £90M just over 10%. Enzo Fernandez came in at about 12%.

To give you some context from the past, in 1993 Utd broke the British transfer record fee for Roy Keane at around £4M. The entire league spent just over £60M that year, so this deal was 8% of the total spend. It was a record at the time, but it wasn’t crazily over the mark.

In 1994 a year later, Utd broke the record transfer again for Andy Cole, this time for nearly double the amount of Keane, at around £7M. But the entire league spent more, and this one deal worked out at around 10% of the total leagues spend.

In 1995, Arsenal broke the record with the signing of Bergkamp for £7.5M, which was at 9% of the total. Liverpool then broke that record shortly after, with the signing of Collymore for 8.5M, which came in at 11% of the total.

In 1996, Newcastle bought Shearer for a British and world record fee of £16M. The league spend was around £100M in total, so this was a deal on the higher end, at about 16% of the total spend.

In 1997, Utd bought Henning Berg for 7.5M, which was nearly half the record price at the time, and it worked out at 5% of the total league spend. Chelsea and Aston Villa had the highest individual transfers of the season, with Greame Le Saux going to Chelsea, and Stan Collymore going to Aston Villa, both worked out at 10% of the total league spend.

In 1998 Utd signed Yorke for a fee of £18M, it was record money for the time, and it was around 9% of the total league spend.

In 2001 Utd got Veron for a record fee of £28M, it was a high price, and it was around 14% of the leagues spend at the time. In todays market, that works out at about £120M

In 2002, Utd broke the record fee again with Ferdinand for £30M. The spend was slightly lower this year for several reasons, but this figure equated to 25% of the leagues total spend, which is the highest ever %. It was a ridiculous figure at the time for any player, especially a CB. To put it in perspective, 25% today would cost you £215M. Ferdinand was a good player, but I don’t recall the media ridiculing Utd for over the top spending on this one. I checked out a few articles, and I was right, they didn’t, all they did was heap praise on him and analyse his potential. Which to be fair, is what they should do with every major signing for every club.

In 2003, they bought C.Ronaldo for £13M. We are told to marvel at the bargain price for the then 17 year old. But this was actually still 9% of the total spend that year. So it was still a high signing, today it would be £80M for a relatively unknown teenager from Portugal. Worked out well, but only a big budget team would be able to do that.

In 2004, they got Rooney for nearly double Ronaldo’s price at £30M, and that equated to double the spend %, coming in at 20% of the total league spend. Again, it’s at the very higher end of the scale, and suggest Utd could afford to pay double what they should to get him. In todays money, that would be £172M.

In 2006 they weren’t the top spenders, but they still bought Michael Carrick in at 10% of the total league spend.

In 2007 they bought 3 players, Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves’s for a combined 20% of the league total spend.

In 2008 we had our takeover, so I stopped looking at them at this point and instead looked at some of our own highest transfers to see how we faired with comparison to the league spend, this is what I saw:

Grealish - signed 2021 -14%
Dias - signed 2021 - 11%
Rodri - signed 2019 - 5%
Mahrez - signed 2018 - 11%.
KDB - signed 2015 - 10%
Sterling - signed 2015 - 9%
Aguero - signed 2011 - 9%
Dzeko - signed 2010 - 10%
Yaya - signed 2010 - 9%
David Silva - signed 2010 - 8%
Tevez - signed 2009 - 5%
Robinho - signed 2008 - 8%


Seems like we’re pretty good at getting players for fair market prices. I don’t really see anything in this that suggests we’ve done anything too differently from any other team in the past, especially Utd.
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That is an amazing insight. Well done. Puts so much in perspective.
 
laserblue said:
There's also the case of Peter Lorimer. Around 1960 Lorimer was due to sign for Leeds but the rags, with Busby's knowledge, offered his dad £5,000 to sign for them. Back then that was equivalent to about 10 years' average industrial wage. I believe he took it but young Lorimer himself wasn't happy, the money was returned and he signed for Leeds.
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WOW not heard of that one before laser.
 
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Shaggy said:
I am peturbed by our players and the friendlyness shown to Spitty, I wish they'd blank him or call him a **** and to go fuck himself, what with his snide, illformed and factually incorrect statements, tweets and ghost written paper articles about City.
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Understand your take on Wio & Spotty.
But, killing people with kindness is a more satisfactory way of gaining superiority.
Get them "onboard", so they have to continually eat shite. Both of them (plus Gary the Rat) are not clever enough to see the bigger picture and the longer outcome.
The GPC really angered a lot of the media and neutral fans by blanking Match of the Day for years. Micky P. was a lapdog and showed how shallow MUFC were.
Having Pep and City players playing "nice" with the media must be a massive ball-ache for the "Red-Top" pundits and media...
 
searsleftpeg said:
Just overheard some bloke on Talktripe ,sounded like JonathanRoss but don't think it was,( not my radio so stuck with it) comparing Pep the Great with Baconface, claiming that Bacon was a better manager as he discovered and brought kids through as if he had discovered them kicking a tin can about in the carpark.
Can't remember the exact details but I'm sure I heard they got them under dubious circumstances and the rules regarding signing up kids were changed as a results Obviously no mention of that.
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Paul Ross aka BlueHammer85

:)

He's deliberately been trolling all week.

On his weds morning show he said only the rags treble is relevant in history and his rag sidekick agreed with him.

This morning he spent the first half hour of his show talking up Coventry's play off semi final game before a throwaway "Man City beat Real Madrid" line.
 
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invisibleandalone said:
Your right , a proper piss can. I use to drink in the same pub as him , always pissed. Says he's a Newcastle fan but was always licking rags arses .Never had a good word for City . Would see him a lot with Ladyman from The Mail. Ladyman called us stuffy cunts winning the 2012 title
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Which pub is this, and do they still drink there ?
Asking for a friend :-D.
 
Damanino said:
twitter is so funny sometimes. you can see Arsenal fans trying to be part of the red cartel so much after a 2nd place in 10 years by joining in with those saying City not a big club as we didnt win CL ever.

when did Arse win it? :)
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What must grate even more with the bandwagon clubs today is that 2nd, 3rd and 4th place used to be celebrated as if they’d actually won the league and the chumps league all in one go by the media and more so by Sky. Arsenal or Liverpool winning on the last day to guarantee 4th spot was a massive wankathon because it guaranteed the status quo with all 4 entering next season’s chumps league but also guaranteeing Sky and the fawning media their big 4 status to milk. Since we broke in whatever position we finished suddenly became a bag of shite if we didn’t win the thing.
 
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Damanino said:
twitter is so funny sometimes. you can see Arsenal fans trying to be part of the red cartel so much after a 2nd place in 10 years by joining in with those saying City not a big club as we didnt win CL ever.

when did Arse win it? :)
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They've had their 15 minutes of fame this season. Next year things back to normal when they go back to just being plain, useless, boring old Arsenal.
 
Thornliebank said:
They've had their 15 minutes of fame this season. Next year things back to normal when they go back to just being plain, useless, boring old Arsenal.
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That's not the media narrative! Next year those young lads will be World beaters.
No-one else is going to improve - only them - the skinny jeans, winkle picker wearing dandies.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
That's not the media narrative! Next year those young lads will be World beaters.
No-one else is going to improve - only them - the skinny jeans, winkle picker wearing dandies.
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How long until the "and don't let us forget, they're the youngest squad in the PL" story doesn't wash?

Otherwise known as 'Kidwashing'.
 
blueone said:
After last night's superb display I've read every report and listened to every football podcast I can find. Any time someone starts by giving City credit followed by but.... (insert bitter excuse here) I immediately stop reading or turn it off. Atm I reckon it's about 50% giving us the credit we deserve and 50% moaning that we're cheating.
Tbh I've actually been pleasantly surprised and I do think proper football fans are actually getting bored with the cheating shite and are happy to admit we're just a really well run club. Haters gonna hate but maybe the tide is turning?
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The only ones running the cheat line with volume are united liverpool arsenal spurs (some) chelsea fans.
Why a wolves fan for example would care is beyond me, other than being a sponge of red-team media
There is just interests
 
oakiecokie said:
WOW not heard of that one before laser.
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This revelation formed part of the World In Action programme on Louis Edwards in 1980 just before he died.

From Wiki.

"An investigation by the Granada Television/ITV investigative journalism series World in Action was broadcast on 28 January 1980. Compilation of the programme began in February 1979. It alleged there were illegal share deals involving large cash payments and false documentation, secret cash payments to council and company staff to win contracts for his business, and secret payments by United from a special fund for inducements to sign footballers throughout the 1960s and 1970s. In one case in the early 1960s, it was alleged that a bribe of £5,000 was paid to the parents of Peter Lorimer, a promising young player whom the club had wanted to recruit. The money was later returned when the player chose Leeds United instead though this was a clear breach of Football Association rules.[7] The programme explained how Edwards quietly acquired his majority shareholding at Manchester United in the early 1960s and then bolstered his family's holding in the late 1970s in prepaparation for the controversial rights issue."
 
laserblue said:
This revelation formed part of the World In Action programme on Louis Edwards in 1980 just before he died.

From Wiki.

"An investigation by the Granada Television/ITV investigative journalism series World in Action was broadcast on 28 January 1980. Compilation of the programme began in February 1979. It alleged there were illegal share deals involving large cash payments and false documentation, secret cash payments to council and company staff to win contracts for his business, and secret payments by United from a special fund for inducements to sign footballers throughout the 1960s and 1970s. In one case in the early 1960s, it was alleged that a bribe of £5,000 was paid to the parents of Peter Lorimer, a promising young player whom the club had wanted to recruit. The money was later returned when the player chose Leeds United instead though this was a clear breach of Football Association rules.[7] The programme explained how Edwards quietly acquired his majority shareholding at Manchester United in the early 1960s and then bolstered his family's holding in the late 1970s in prepaparation for the controversial rights issue."
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Louis Edwards was all above board wasn't he?
 
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