Meeting Re: Atmosphere

The cookie monster said:
Project said:
Santiago Street . said:
Turn off the fucking PA system except to read the teams out

Stop using matchdays as a media studies training course for tv wannabees

Sit back

Hey presto, the 40,000 + crowds will make their own atmosphere


Please let it be this.
Whos sanctioning this shit thats what i want to know,that was beyond embarrassing at the last home match regarding them birds with the mics....and that shit outside on the square with 2 dozen people watching....Pull the plug and quick!
Remember that derby at Maine Road when the power went off an hour before kick off (I think it was the one were we'd been away from the Prem for four years and we lost 1-0)? There was no music or tannoy bloke before the game, in fact there was nothing at all, nowt, nish! Yet we were all singing loudly. I taped the game and when I watched it back the next day - and I still remember this vividly to this day - Richard Keys said before the game "it's derby day in Manchester, and this place is ROCKING!"

That tells you everything you need to know about pre-match entertainment.

I got to the ground early the other week against Wigan because I was too skint for a pint in the pub. I stood and took notice of the big screens and the "entertainment". Well, to say I wasn't impressed is an understatement. It was - like the poster above says - an average university media studies effort.

All I reckon there should be is a decent DJ on playing decent tunes from one our before kick off until ten minutes before kick off. Any announcements they want to make can be put up on the big screen in writing. Then with ten minutes to go before kick off, cut the music and let the crowd start their own build up. The only time anyone should speak on the tannoy is to introduce the teams and announce the players just before kick off. Bumph, that's it. No tricks, no cheese; just simple and classy stuff.
 
danny123 said:
danburge82 said:
danny123 said:
Should give the away fans just the 2nd tier, only let them use the same entrance they use already to get up there and then we get the whole of the 1st tier of the south stand! It might mean giving them a longer allocation on the 2nd tier but could that work?
Yes that would definately work. They might just have 2300 tickets, but only 5 or so teams come here and well out their allocation anyway.

I know that away teams have to have a certain percentage of our full capacity but I'm not sure how much that is and whether that would fit in with these rules? Could easily be done though, don't know why nobody has thought of it before!
Would you really want United fans sitting above you at the derby?
 
Didsbury Dave said:
You can take it one step further. Sound collects in a totally different way in big new stadia like coms and wembley. It doesn't bounce off the roof of the area it is being sung, unless it is being sung by people at the top ofvthe stand.it drifts to the centre of the arena .

I don't even think it does that at Coms. I think the angle of the roof in the south stand and north stand mean it just goes straight up into the air. Hamburg has a flat roof all the way around and when we played them the sound just rattled round the stadium, whereas at COMS any noise just goes straight up into the air

Hopefully these pics can help illustrate my point. Hamburg:

hamburgstadium_large.jpg


hamburg.jpg


Coms:

mcfc-england-v-iceland.jpg


Obviously I'm no expert on the matter and I stand to be corrected on this, but it's just a thought of mine
 
A guy in my row, chairman of a big OSC branch and who seems ITK on a few internal things at the club, was adamant at the Wigan game that the away fans are being moved to level 3 in the Colin Bell or East Stand next season.
The question is, would those in the SS/110-11 who want to be next to the away fans move with them?
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Didsbury Dave said:
You can take it one step further. Sound collects in a totally different way in big new stadia like coms and wembley. It doesn't bounce off the roof of the area it is being sung, unless it is being sung by people at the top ofvthe stand.it drifts to the centre of the arena .

I don't even think it does that at Coms. I think the angle of the roof in the south stand and north stand mean it just goes straight up into the air. Hamburg has a flat roof all the way around and when we played them the sound just rattled round the stadium, whereas at COMS any noise just goes straight up into the air

Hopefully these pics can help illustrate my point. Hamburg:

hamburgstadium_large.jpg


hamburg.jpg


Coms:

mcfc-england-v-iceland.jpg


Obviously I'm no expert on the matter and I stand to be corrected on this, but it's just a thought of mine

Only solution to this would be for everyone to be holding an umbrella. Maybe City will be giving out thousands of blue and white ones for the Villareal game?!
 
danburge82 said:
The cookie monster said:
Project said:
Please let it be this.
Whos sanctioning this shit thats what i want to know,that was beyond embarrassing at the last home match regarding them birds with the mics....and that shit outside on the square with 2 dozen people watching....Pull the plug and quick!
Remember that derby at Maine Road when the power went off an hour before kick off (I think it was the one were we'd been away from the Prem for four years and we lost 1-0)? There was no music or tannoy bloke before the game, in fact there was nothing at all, nowt, nish! Yet we were all singing loudly. I taped the game and when I watched it back the next day - and I still remember this vividly to this day - Richard Keys said before the game "it's derby day in Manchester, and this place is ROCKING!"

That tells you everything you need to know about pre-match entertainment.

I got to the ground early the other week against Wigan because I was too skint for a pint in the pub. I stood and took notice of the big screens and the "entertainment". Well, to say I wasn't impressed is an understatement. It was - like the poster above says - an average university media studies effort.

All I reckon there should be is a decent DJ on playing decent tunes from one our before kick off until ten minutes before kick off. Any announcements they want to make can be put up on the big screen in writing. Then with ten minutes to go before kick off, cut the music and let the crowd start their own build up. The only time anyone should speak on the tannoy is to introduce the teams and announce the players just before kick off. Bumph, that's it. No tricks, no cheese; just simple and classy stuff.

I remember that game, and despite all the myths about the Maine Road atmosphere - THAT game was the best I can remember for atmosphere.

I thought we won the game too...?

Trouble is - you'd need to clear the concourses too and get everyone in the bowl at least 10 minutes before kick off...
 
I see everyone is pretty much on 109/110 and 111 being moved into 1 with 118, 119, and 120.

Surprised nobody has brought up safe standing though? What if City have found a loophole to become the first club in England to introduce safe standing for part of the stadium?
 
mcfcliam said:
The one end was trailed for the Wigan game 2 seasons and didn't work as 90% of people in there were kids and glory hunters.

Won't work.

Glory hunters 2 years ago, and against Wigan eh.

They were optimistic if nothing else.
 
danburge82 said:
Remember that derby at Maine Road when the power went off an hour before kick off (I think it was the one were we'd been away from the Prem for four years and we lost 1-0)? There was no music or tannoy bloke before the game, in fact there was nothing at all, nowt, nish! Yet we were all singing loudly. I taped the game and when I watched it back the next day - and I still remember this vividly to this day - Richard Keys said before the game "it's derby day in Manchester, and this place is ROCKING!"

This is spot on. I think there is a place for pre-match and half time entertainment and have been impressed with some activities this season. However, when the game is due to start in about 5/10 minutes I'd like to see the Club base their music and attempts at boosting the atmosphere around what is actually happening.

As said earlier, the 2002-03 derby was the victim of a broken PA system and from the moment it broke the atmosphere was able to develop and truly was special. Nowadays, unfortunately, decisions seem to be taken on how to get the fans going at meetings days/weeks before the game, whereas a number of options should be considered and decisions taken on the night as the situation is developing.

Before the Napoli game fans were singing, atmosphere was building and then they put on some music (I think it was Hey Jude while fans were singing 'We're not really here' or another song - whichever way round it was it created a clash between what was being sung and what someone had previously thought should be used to encourage singing).

Although the song put on was one that can become a chant it actually killed off the chant that was already in progress. When this happened I immediately looked at the people around me and we were all shaking our heads - it was so obvious that the chant should have been allowed to develop.

So, my view is that attempts to generate atmosphere are good and needed at times but when fans are already chanting and noise is developing don't kill it off by trying to gee everyone up with another song booming out of the PA system.

When there's little noise coming from the terraces then it's right to try to generate the noise by putting appropriate songs on, but judgement is needed on the night.

Work on alternative scenarios before the night/day of the game, but make the ultimate decision at the time.

Also, moving away fans is something that needs careful consideration. Some fans (and I used to be one of them in the old Kippax) like to be close to the away fans to enjoy the banter etc. This helped develop atmosphere - if the away fans are hidden away in a quiet section of the stadium then it might ultimately kill off some of the noise from our own fans.

If the away fans are also placed on level 3 wouldn't the acoustics and style of stadium mean that the noise they generate would feel stronger than if they are on level 1? I'm not an expert on any of this, but it's something that needs looking at. We need a soundwave expert for that one.
 
a free pint to every seasoncard holder before the game would get people in the ground earlier and improve the atmosphere
 

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