Messi tax fraud implications

[Hart of the Matter]

I am with SWP on this one. The value of a player is as much about marketability as on pitch impact. Some players warrant big spending without a massive impact on FFP. Messi on a 5 yr contract on 20m a year wages and transfer fee spread across 5 years of say 25m means that increased shirt sales and increased revenue should easily cover the 45m year running costs. We are getting 40m a year Sky money alone. Cavani at half the price makes less sense financially under FFP as far as I can see.

Despite all this I doubt it will happen.

 

[dctid]

I'm not talking about whether this is an investment that City could make pay. For once in my life I'm thinking about the greater good of the sport, and the thought of anyone paying 250 million euros for one player makes me feel physically sick. A big no fucking thanks from me. No-one, repeat no-one, could ever justify that fee to me.

Ok, so even though City could make a transfer like that profitable and not lose money on it, you don't think we should sign the best player in the world because the fee doesn't work for you. But you wanted desperately for us to sign Cavani ... hahaha. Whatever works for you. Personally I think 250 million euros for Messi would be value for money.

Dont see how we could make profit on a 250 million euros without significant monies from sponsirs. Keep seeing shit about RM making money on the Ronaldo deal but RM sell on average 1.4 million shirts a year and his transfer was 80 million

City sell on average 175K shirts a year (although i am sure we are increasing each year) we are just not in that league. Note Barca only sell 1.15 Million with Messi currently in the team - numbers dont work without a sponsor upping the contribution. Yes we could double or triple shirt sales but we are still way way short to break even on a deal where we rely on marketing etc.

We are not a Real Madrid and that reflects in our new kit deal which is worth 12 Million a years which is half of Liverpools and will pale into insignificance compared to the rags new deal rumoured to be circa 600M over 10 years

 

[SWP's back]

I'm not talking about whether this is an investment that City could make pay. For once in my life I'm thinking about the greater good of the sport, and the thought of anyone paying 250 million euros for one player makes me feel physically sick. A big no fucking thanks from me. No-one, repeat no-one, could ever justify that fee to me.

Ok, so even though City could make a transfer like that profitable and not lose money on it, you don't think we should sign the best player in the world because the fee doesn't work for you. But you wanted desperately for us to sign Cavani ... hahaha. Whatever works for you. Personally I think 250 million euros for Messi would be value for money.

Dont see how we could make profit on a 250 million euros without significant monies from sponsirs. Keep seeing shit about RM making money on the Ronaldo deal but RM sell on average 1.4 million shirts a year and his transfer was 80 million

City sell on average 175K shirts a year (although i am sure we are increasing each year) we are just not in that league. Note Barca only sell 1.15 Million with Messi currently in the team - numbers dont work without a sponsor upping the contribution. Yes we could double or triple shirt sales but we are still way way short to break even on a deal where we rely on marketing etc.

We are not a Real Madrid and that reflects in our new kit deal which is worth 12 Million a years which is half of Liverpools and will pale into insignificance compared to the rags new deal rumoured to be circa 600M over 10 years

You answer yourself as to how in the first sentence. And give yourself the reason why we would do it with your last one.

 

[dctid]

Ok, so even though City could make a transfer like that profitable and not lose money on it, you don't think we should sign the best player in the world because the fee doesn't work for you. But you wanted desperately for us to sign Cavani ... hahaha. Whatever works for you. Personally I think 250 million euros for Messi would be value for money.

Dont see how we could make profit on a 250 million euros without significant monies from sponsirs. Keep seeing shit about RM making money on the Ronaldo deal but RM sell on average 1.4 million shirts a year and his transfer was 80 million

City sell on average 175K shirts a year (although i am sure we are increasing each year) we are just not in that league. Note Barca only sell 1.15 Million with Messi currently in the team - numbers dont work without a sponsor upping the contribution. Yes we could double or triple shirt sales but we are still way way short to break even on a deal where we rely on marketing etc.

We are not a Real Madrid and that reflects in our new kit deal which is worth 12 Million a years which is half of Liverpools and will pale into insignificance compared to the rags new deal rumoured to be circa 600M over 10 years

You answer yourself as to how in the first sentence. And give yourself the reason why we would do it with your last one.

Yes but whom thats the difficulty. Nike or whomever pay lots and lots of monies because these clubs are global brands. We still have some way to go to match these clubs thereby making similar deals unlikely certainly in the near term

Wont happen anyway

 

[SWP's back]

Dont see how we could make profit on a 250 million euros without significant monies from sponsirs. Keep seeing shit about RM making money on the Ronaldo deal but RM sell on average 1.4 million shirts a year and his transfer was 80 million

City sell on average 175K shirts a year (although i am sure we are increasing each year) we are just not in that league. Note Barca only sell 1.15 Million with Messi currently in the team - numbers dont work without a sponsor upping the contribution. Yes we could double or triple shirt sales but we are still way way short to break even on a deal where we rely on marketing etc.

We are not a Real Madrid and that reflects in our new kit deal which is worth 12 Million a years which is half of Liverpools and will pale into insignificance compared to the rags new deal rumoured to be circa 600M over 10 years

You answer yourself as to how in the first sentence. And give yourself the reason why we would do it with your last one.

Yes but whom thats the difficulty. Nike or whomever pay lots and lots of monies because these clubs are global brands. We still have some way to go to match these clubs thereby making similar deals unlikely certainly in the near term

Wont happen anyway

Yes and with Messi we would be a global brand over night.

If he leaves Barca and it looks as though he will in the next couple of years, he will be a City player.

 

[aguerooooo]

You answer yourself as to how in the first sentence. And give yourself the reason why we would do it with your last one.

Yes but whom thats the difficulty. Nike or whomever pay lots and lots of monies because these clubs are global brands. We still have some way to go to match these clubs thereby making similar deals unlikely certainly in the near term

Wont happen anyway

Yes and with Messi we would be a global brand over night.

If he leaves Barca and it looks as though he will in the next couple of years, he will be a City player.

knowing city we will sign him and next day receive a warrant for his arrest for tax evasion

 

[dctid]

You answer yourself as to how in the first sentence. And give yourself the reason why we would do it with your last one.

Yes but whom thats the difficulty. Nike or whomever pay lots and lots of monies because these clubs are global brands. We still have some way to go to match these clubs thereby making similar deals unlikely certainly in the near term

Wont happen anyway

Yes and with Messi we would be a global brand over night.

If he leaves Barca and it looks as though he will in the next couple of years, he will be a City player.

No we would not - the aquisition of any one player does not and will not turn any single club into a "global brand" over night. Regardless of whom RM or Barca or the Rags buy or dont buy they will have that global brand and image and support accordingly.

We would increase Citys profile and make us a more attractive "brand" and maybe double or triple our mercahdise but that in itself would not support a transfer of 250M whch was my initial point.

In two years time he wont be the player he is now that Barca have already bought the new "Global Brand"

We tried to do this with Kaka and regardless of what people think based upon what we have seen at RM that would have been a disaster.

The answer is hopefully top top quality scouting (not sure we are there yet) a fantastic academy (which we will hopefully have) and getting these players young.

Not quite as confident that he would come to City - we seem to be loosing alot of players to other Leagues and maybe the pull of the premier league aint what we all think it is -

 

[SWP's back]

Yes but whom thats the difficulty. Nike or whomever pay lots and lots of monies because these clubs are global brands. We still have some way to go to match these clubs thereby making similar deals unlikely certainly in the near term

Wont happen anyway

Yes and with Messi we would be a global brand over night.

If he leaves Barca and it looks as though he will in the next couple of years, he will be a City player.

No we would not - the aquisition of any one player does not and will not turn any single club into a "global brand" over night. Regardless of whom RM or Barca or the Rags buy or dont buy they will have that global brand and image and support accordingly.

We would increase Citys profile and make us a more attractive "brand" and maybe double or triple our mercahdise but that in itself would not support a transfer of 250M whch was my initial point.

In two years time he wont be the player he is now that Barca have already bought the new "Global Brand"

We tried to do this with Kaka and regardless of what people think based upon what we have seen at RM that would have been a disaster.

The answer is hopefully top top quality scouting (not sure we are there yet) a fantastic academy (which we will hopefully have) and getting these players young.

Not quite as confident that he would come to City - we seem to be loosing alot of players to other Leagues and maybe the pull of the premier league aint what we all think it is -

The Spanish League is falling apart. Everyone outside the top 4 are selling off. 34 players have moved from Spain to the PL this summer already. And RM/Barca are about to lose the lions share of their TV money when it is next renegotiated.

 

[dctid]

Yes and with Messi we would be a global brand over night.

If he leaves Barca and it looks as though he will in the next couple of years, he will be a City player.

No we would not - the aquisition of any one player does not and will not turn any single club into a "global brand" over night. Regardless of whom RM or Barca or the Rags buy or dont buy they will have that global brand and image and support accordingly.

We would increase Citys profile and make us a more attractive "brand" and maybe double or triple our mercahdise but that in itself would not support a transfer of 250M whch was my initial point.

In two years time he wont be the player he is now that Barca have already bought the new "Global Brand"

We tried to do this with Kaka and regardless of what people think based upon what we have seen at RM that would have been a disaster.

The answer is hopefully top top quality scouting (not sure we are there yet) a fantastic academy (which we will hopefully have) and getting these players young.

Not quite as confident that he would come to City - we seem to be loosing alot of players to other Leagues and maybe the pull of the premier league aint what we all think it is -

The Spanish League is falling apart. Everyone outside the top 4 are selling off. 34 players have moved from Spain to the PL this summer already. And RM/Barca are about to lose the lions share of their TV money when it is next renegotiated.

We are talking about the very very best players i dont care if 100 spanish players came ot the EPL - the reasons are clear in that Spain produce the best footbalers, yes the clubs are looking to sell and compared to English players they are cheap.

Most leagues are non competative Bayern walked the Gernam League, realistically only PSG can win the French, Spain is a stich up of Barca and RM (same as Scottish football but on a different level) the EPL is the most competative.

However you cut it the major transfers dealing with top 20 world class players none of them have moved to the EPL - Cavanni, Thiago Silva, Falcao, Ibra and a few others even Guardiola was not interested.

Regardless players like Messi will have a pick of the elite clubs - if we are considered one of them great but other leagues would offer similar dosh and maybe a better style of living.

Who knows - anyway done it too death now Messi wont be sold

 

[MadchesterCity]

If and it's a big if,Messi decided to leave imo it would be the premier league,the french league has punched above it's weight with the silva,ibra,cavani and falcao signings,but i suppose if the likes of psg threw silly money at barca and messi then anythings possible...

He's already turned down PSG. And I strongly suspect Barca shopped him to the tax people to keep him in Spain for a while.

yes it would appear that Barca shipped him but that can't have gone down with the Messi camp<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:01 pm --<br /><br />

Cant see it happening - if Cavani is 63 Ronaldo is 80 then Messi will easily clear 100M - just not going to happen at those numbers

Messi is a huge exception though.

We not talking about just a top player, we are arguably talking about the greatest there has ever been.

Can you imagine how big Manchester City as a name would be around the world, not just for the present but for the future as well.

Messi would be a huge investment, but it's an investment that would take the clubs brand to the highest level, I am pretty sure Mansour would want that for the club.

Not forgetting how much stronger he would make us a team, him and Kun??? Wow.

There has to be a financail payback and i cant see where it would be at those numbers. Its clear that our owners a moving our club to a much more self sustaining model be that because of FFFP or just general good practive who knows. 100M would put us back to where we were two years ago. If we could get a sponsor to give us 25M a year to sponsir something then maybe but shirt sales alone wont be good enough

Personally i like what Dortmund and to a lesser extent Bayern have been doing

150m and Messi wages and this would be great business for City

To sign Messi we would be considered in top 5 clubs on planet and favourites for Premiership andChampions league not to mention shirt sales.

He does look great in sky blue