Metrolink to / from Etihad

The nerve of Burnham to be banging on about the great Manchester transportBee network every other week is mental. The transport to City and Co-op ( or lack of it ) is an embarrassment and shame on everybody involved in so many shit decisions.

Shit will eventually hit the fan when some pissed up kid falls in the canal on the way back into town cause there was no transport to get back from a gig. That will be when everybody asks what the fuck were they thinking by doing nothing !
 
East Level 2 said:
There must have been some limited route planning as the bridge over the tracks on Joe Mercer Way was there when the stadium opened, a mere 12 (?) years before the trams appeared.
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My point is, they drew up plans that included a Tram track simply to get the games in Manchester. Knowing they weren't going to provide one, no thought went into the route. If they had they would not have ended up with the shit show by the Mitchell Arms every home game.
 
It is a complete pain in the arse how far the ground is from the centre with shit trams, no trains and no parking anywhere close without paying ridiculous amounts and getting stuck in traffic, especially in winter.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Good point about the bus service. Burnham is going on about the new integrated bus service as if it is something special. The rest of Europe has had one for 50 plus years. We had one in Manchester in the 1960s and 70s. I heard him on the radio this week bragging about it. He is a total bullshitter. Our political leaders think we are all idiots. The total failure of infrastructure is blindingly obvious. We have a new 25,000 arena and 8,000 new seats and nothing has been put in place apart from a few footpaths. Not even a bloody taxi rank.
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As I worked on trams and buses for 30 years all be it in Blackpool I have some idea about transport policies. The bus system worked fairly well as a public service until the mid 80s when that stupid bitch Thatcher decided to deregulate it. As any fool could have forseen popular routes eg Oxford/Wilmslow had buses every minute while some estates lost their services altogether. Blair did nothing to rectify things and Starmer seems to have no interest. Burnham at least is trying to do something all be it at a local level. I wait to see what Bee line achieves. At best things will go back to SELNEC days at worse things will stay the same. Bring back the orange and white buses.
 
Spurs quarter 69 said:
As I worked on trams and buses for 30 years all be it in Blackpool I have some idea about transport policies. The bus system worked fairly well as a public service until the mid 80s when that stupid bitch Thatcher decided to deregulate it. As any fool could have forseen popular routes eg Oxford/Wilmslow had buses every minute while some estates lost their services altogether. Blair did nothing to rectify things and Starmer seems to have no interest. Burnham at least is trying to do something all be it at a local level. I wait to see what Bee line achieves. At best things will go back to SELNEC days at worse things will stay the same. Bring back the orange and white buses.
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Road missing word after Oxford/ Wilmslow.
 
I went to get a 216 to town right after the game on Saturday and was told they were already full and gone because stagecoach had only sent 2. Everyone else had to either walk to town or go across the entire stadium site and join a giant queue to get a tram.
 
Blue Mist said:
My point is, they drew up plans that included a Tram track simply to get the games in Manchester. Knowing they weren't going to provide one, no thought went into the route. If they had they would not have ended up with the shit show by the Mitchell Arms every home game.
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I'm sure TfGM could provide a shit-show however much thought was given to the route.
Just police the Mitchell Arms junction properly and give tickets to drivers who block it.
 
Spurs quarter 69 said:
As I worked on trams and buses for 30 years all be it in Blackpool I have some idea about transport policies. The bus system worked fairly well as a public service until the mid 80s when that stupid bitch Thatcher decided to deregulate it. As any fool could have forseen popular routes eg Oxford/Wilmslow had buses every minute while some estates lost their services altogether. Blair did nothing to rectify things and Starmer seems to have no interest. Burnham at least is trying to do something all be it at a local level. I wait to see what Bee line achieves. At best things will go back to SELNEC days at worse things will stay the same. Bring back the orange and white buses.
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I know that Thatcher destroyed the bus network but that was 40 years ago. Since then successive governments have done nothing for transport outside London. A new arena has been built and the ground is being extended but no proper transport strategy is in place. The planning documents mentioned only walking routes and reduced parking. Burnham has a reputation for talking a good game and not delivering and it is well deserved. Starmer just seems to represent a continuation of the London-centric policies which have pretty much destroyed the rest of the country.
 
Anyone would think this is all a deliberate but underhand policy to do something about Manchester’s appalling public health and levels of ill health, sickness etc, as it seems to all point towards encouraging everyone to walk to and from the ground.

That’s all well and good, but a) it does tend to hammer down a fair bit in Manchester now and again and it would be nice to have a dry alternative when it does, and b) what about those who struggle to walk the distances involved?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I know that Thatcher destroyed the bus network but that was 40 years ago. Since then successive governments have done nothing for transport outside London. A new arena has been built and the ground is being extended but no proper transport strategy is in place. The planning documents mentioned only walking routes and reduced parking. Burnham has a reputation for talking a good game and not delivering and it is well deserved. Starmer just seems to represent a continuation of the London-centric policies which have pretty much destroyed the rest of the country.
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The buses are a little better near me now since they became part of the Bee Network in the first tranche; they’ve started adding later running buses and there’s driver training all over the area. It’s nice only needing one app to track the bus (I used to have to hop between 3 different apps) and also know the fare system and payment methods are consistent. Yesterday they changed the £2 single ticket so that if you need a second bus within an hour you don’t need to pay for another single, the original ticket can be used as a hopper ticket. In March you will be able to tap on and tap off buses (like the tram) and it will automatically calculate the price for you, capped at £5 for GM travel on buses and whatever the combined bus/tram day ticket would be.

So things ARE changing for the better but of course it has a long way to go.

Simply the fact it’s taken Burnham five years or so simply to get them back under one umbrella shows how bad they got. I think now they are all combined we can start the clock on whether his plans are successful or not but the biggest problem with buses and their efficiency is simply too many cars in the city centre.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Can’t fathom why they’ve never looked at a train station at the back of the Tesla place. I’m sure there’s a loop that could run from Piccadilly and through Victoria one way with another route in via the Ashbury spur which could bring trains from all points east!
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It’s been discussed on a few different threads. The consensus from those with a bit of inside knowledge, is although technically possible, it’s not even close to being anything like financially viable.
 
Stephen230 said:
It’s been discussed on a few different threads. The consensus from those with a bit of inside knowledge, is although technically possible, it’s not even close to being anything like financially viable.
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That’s a shame. Another transport option really is required now there’s the arena and there’s going to be 8,000 more fans attending City games.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
The buses are a little better near me now since they became part of the Bee Network in the first tranche; they’ve started adding later running buses and there’s driver training all over the area. It’s nice only needing one app to track the bus (I used to have to hop between 3 different apps) and also know the fare system and payment methods are consistent. Yesterday they changed the £2 single ticket so that if you need a second bus within an hour you don’t need to pay for another single, the original ticket can be used as a hopper ticket. In March you will be able to tap on and tap off buses (like the tram) and it will automatically calculate the price for you, capped at £5 for GM travel on buses and whatever the combined bus/tram day ticket would be.

So things ARE changing for the better but of course it has a long way to go.

Simply the fact it’s taken Burnham five years or so simply to get them back under one umbrella shows how bad they got. I think now they are all combined we can start the clock on whether his plans are successful or not but the biggest problem with buses and their efficiency is simply too many cars in the city centre.
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Manchester could do what doncaster did, and that's having no cars in centre of town
 
Stephen230 said:
It’s been discussed on a few different threads. The consensus from those with a bit of inside knowledge, is although technically possible, it’s not even close to being anything like financially viable.
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Neither is paying a group of footballers £6M+ a week but we do it..
 
Stephen230 said:
It’s been discussed on a few different threads. The consensus from those with a bit of inside knowledge, is although technically possible, it’s not even close to being anything like financially viable.
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Serious question, as the tracks are already there, it’d only be the station cost. I get that footfall would be non existent on non match days (although maybe not with the arena) but the Old Trafford train station was never used outside of match days and trains were specifically put on, on those match days.
 
Dr Marvin said:
Match-day buses
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To-and-from Town before and after games, shuttle buses running from/to Piccadilly and Victoria (currently no buses run from Victoria to Etihad), would be a good idea.

City could buy a fleet of them, store them in the stadium car parks during the week and rent them out to school during the week for trips.
 
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