I remember it being discussed as well. An eye watering costly project with no real benefit. The solution is to somehow massively improve what we have already. Metrolink is a real chore at times.
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Metrolink to / from Etihad
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Churchlawtonblue
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I was talking to a fella who high up in Manchester City council, they are going to do this after Teslas lease is up in 4 and half years time. It will need big investment as they will need to reinstate the Ardwick viaduct and two bridges are out. Then it could be run as a loop via Piccadilly and Victoria. It's only now possible as HS2 won't now be running into Piccadilly.Can’t fathom why they’ve never looked at a train station at the back of the Tesla place. I’m sure there’s a loop that could run from Piccadilly and through Victoria one way with another route in via the Ashbury spur which could bring trains from all points east!
blue b4 the moon
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Bring back (from what I can remember) the individual livery coloured local buses.South East Lancashire North East Cheshire.
It was a holding name prior to the creation of Greater Manchester Buses.
The service was far better back then than it was after fragmentation with the likes of Stagecoach coming in.
Blue/cream for Ashton
Green for Hyde
Red for Ducky/Stalybridge?
Seems everything will be boring metro yellow from now on.
They still want the route into Piccadilly for Northern Powerhouse Rail - that will be unaffordable without HS2 bearing the cost of tunnelling under south Manchester, but they won't compromise the route.I was talking to a fella who high up in Manchester City council, they are going to do this after Teslas lease is up in 4 and half years time. It will need big investment as they will need to reinstate the Ardwick viaduct and two bridges are out. Then it could be run as a loop via Piccadilly and Victoria. It's only now possible as HS2 won't now be running into Piccadilly.
They are not going to spend £30-40m on a new station, excavating the cutting behind the Tesla garage, let alone how many millions it would cost to reinstate the Ardwick curve (after spending a billion on the white elephant Ordsall Curve). It would be easier (not much) and closer to the Arena to put a new station on New Viaduct Street between the gas holders, but you're not going to have trains stacked waiting like tube trains at London stadia.
Johnny Mars Bar
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I had no idea so many qualified railway engineers, town planners and urban design experts we had on here.
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Hi Vic, all I can say is this fella was pretty sure plans are already in place to make it happen.They still want the route into Piccadilly for Northern Powerhouse Rail - that will be unaffordable without HS2 bearing the cost of tunnelling under south Manchester, but they won't compromise the route.
They are not going to spend £30-40m on a new station, excavating the cutting behind the Tesla garage, let alone how many millions it would cost to reinstate the Ardwick curve (after spending a billion on the white elephant Ordsall Curve). It would be easier (not much) and closer to the Arena to put a new station on New Viaduct Street between the gas holders, but you're not going to have trains stacked waiting like tube trains at London stadia.
I might add that the City Council already work closely with the clubs owners and he expected that the club would be a major funder for the project.
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During covid a lot of them retrained......I had no idea so many qualified railway engineers, town planners and urban design experts we had on here.
And became covid experts .........
they then undertook training in the roles you mention. :-)
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No problem, when I see him next I will bring it up, but i will say he has nothing to gain by making stuff up. He's very high up in the council and it's his department that would be heavily involved in such a scheme and he's a genuine guy.Ask him who authorised the cost of drawing up plans.
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I would be asking him how they propose to run trains directly across the throat of Piccadilly station without impacting all the current services, to then squeeze new services along the already packed Castlefield corridor all in the aim of a train that runs in circles.No problem, when I see him next I will bring it up, but i will say he has nothing to gain by making stuff up. He's very high up in the council and it's his department that would be heavily involved in such a scheme and he's a genuine guy.
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Headbolt Lane station was double that and I think it was an easier site to build on.They still want the route into Piccadilly for Northern Powerhouse Rail - that will be unaffordable without HS2 bearing the cost of tunnelling under south Manchester, but they won't compromise the route.
They are not going to spend £30-40m on a new station, excavating the cutting behind the Tesla garage, let alone how many millions it would cost to reinstate the Ardwick curve (after spending a billion on the white elephant Ordsall Curve). It would be easier (not much) and closer to the Arena to put a new station on New Viaduct Street between the gas holders, but you're not going to have trains stacked waiting like tube trains at London stadia.
I would suggest people don’t pin too much hope on new rail infrastructure (especially anybody over 50 years old). When going to London or places like that, people travel by train to as close as possible then get to their final destination by tube or bus, and this is how people should be moved around Manchester. The money should be spent on realigning the tram line away from Merrill Street or better management at those junctions. I just don’t think the owners or council care that we get stuck there.
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In the meantime they could shut the roads between Great Ancoats Street and the stadium and run shuttle buses to and from town. The current situation is pathetic. No political leadership and no vision. Like most other things in the UK.I was talking to a fella who high up in Manchester City council, they are going to do this after Teslas lease is up in 4 and half years time. It will need big investment as they will need to reinstate the Ardwick viaduct and two bridges are out. Then it could be run as a loop via Piccadilly and Victoria. It's only now possible as HS2 won't now be running into Piccadilly.
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It’s called reading stuff and educating oneself. Every expert was once a novice.I had no idea so many qualified railway engineers, town planners and urban design experts we had on here.
Johnny Mars Bar
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In the meantime they could shut the roads between Great Ancoats Street and the stadium and run shuttle buses to and from town. The current situation is pathetic. No political leadership and no vision. Like most other things in the UK.
What happens to traffic when you close already completely congested roads?
There is no quick and easy solution to a complex problem.
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People should leave their cars at home and use public transport.
Ohh wait..
Ohh wait..
Then he must have an estimate of the cost... and whether he can guarantee that any train company (or GBR) would run trains to a new station. Several new stations have been built then the operators decide not to stop trains there, or not as many as promised, notably Reston in Scotland and closer to home Warrington West. And that's on lines with trains passing through, not a line that would need its own special services.No problem, when I see him next I will bring it up, but i will say he has nothing to gain by making stuff up. He's very high up in the council and it's his department that would be heavily involved in such a scheme and he's a genuine guy.
bobbyowenquiff
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There is no need for general traffic in the Pollard Street area. It should be buses, taxis, and trams only. Virtually all major stadiums I have been to here and abroad don’t allow traffic on the immediately adjacent roads before and after matches. I can’t think of anywhere worse than our place other than Anfield which is also a total shit show.What happens to traffic when you close already completely congested roads?
There is no quick and easy solution to a complex problem.
Johnny Mars Bar
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There is no need for general traffic in the Pollard Street area. It should be buses, taxis, and trams only. Virtually all major stadiums I have been to here and abroad don’t allow traffic on the immediately adjacent roads before and after matches. I can’t think of anywhere worse than our place other than Anfield which is also a total shit show.
That doesn’t answer the problem. Traffic does use those streets, and it gets extremely busy. Closing them would cause even more chaos. Just look at the controversy over low traffic neighbourhoods where side streets are blocked off during rush hour. All those cars have to go somewhere.
The problem is the Etihad is so close to a busy city centre that has rapidly expanded in recent years.
Johnny Mars Bar
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During covid a lot of them retrained......
And became covid experts .........
they then undertook training in the roles you mention. :-)
When they’re not moonlighting as Middle Eastern political scientists or army generals of course.
bobbyowenquiff
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We will have to disagree. The situation at our place is a disgrace. Much worse than Old Trafford. Lots of places are close to housing. All the major London stadia are better. The transport report for the new arena was a laughable document. There will be a fatality soon at City, either by crushing or an accident, and the authorities will start wringing their hands.That doesn’t answer the problem. Traffic does use those streets, and it gets extremely busy. Closing them would cause even more chaos. Just look at the controversy over low traffic neighbourhoods where side streets are blocked off during rush hour. All those cars have to go somewhere.
The problem is the Etihad is so close to a busy city centre that has rapidly expanded in recent years.
Johnny Mars Bar
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We will have to disagree. The situation at our place is a disgrace. Much worse than Old Trafford. Lots of places are close to housing. All the major London stadia are better. The transport report for the new arena was a laughable document. There will be a fatality soon at City, either by crushing or an accident, and the authorities will start wringing their hands.
There’s nothing to “disagree” about. The transport situation is objectively not good enough. That’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a fact.
My point is an obvious one; by closing already congested roads you will cause chaos on the surrounding road network. That’s just physics. Those cars have to go somewhere.
I do not have an answer, because I a not a town planner and there is no easy quick cheap solution, despite what all the geniuses on here would like to think.