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[west didsblue]

why is there occupied territory then? I mean if there was enough room ..........

Because the two sides have never agreed a comprehensive peace plan. Both sides are unduly influenced by extremists and Nethanyahu is as much of a twat as the leader of Hamas. If moderates on both sides were in power things would be a lot different.

 

[west didsblue]

And? One has state of the art military weapons the other is using any old shite they can get their hands on, but people make out it is a 50/50 conflict.

Do you think that missiles made of any old shite they can lay their hands on can hit Tel Aviv from Gaza? Hamas have built a whole industry in Gaza where they manufacture thousands of Iranian and Chinese designed missiles. It's a shame they don't make the same effort in looking after their own population. I'm not making excuses for Nethanyahu and his fundamentalist allies in power - from their position of strength they should be taking the lead in pursuing peace irrespective of what Hamas get up to rather than provoking conflict. But Hamas are no angels and Nethanyahu is playing into their hands by giving the Palestinians no hope of a just settlement thereby increasing support for Hamas.

Everyone knows it's not a 50/50 conflict in terms of military power and I don't believe anyone is pretending it is.

 

[Scottyboi]

Do you think that missiles made of any old shite they can lay their hands on can hit Tel Aviv from Gaza? Hamas have built a whole industry in Gaza where they manufacture thousands of Iranian and Chinese designed missiles. It's a shame they don't make the same effort in looking after their own population. I'm not making excuses for Nethanyahu and his fundamentalist allies in power - from their position of strength they should be taking the lead in pursuing peace irrespective of what Hamas get up to rather than provoking conflict. But Hamas are no angels and Nethanyahu is playing into their hands by giving the Palestinians no hope of a just settlement thereby increasing support for Hamas.

Everyone knows it's not a 50/50 conflict in terms of military power and I don't believe anyone is pretending it is.

If the sides were more even peace would come about a lot sooner, especially when both sides know a lot of lives will be lost. But at present Israel can do as they please being led by a corrupt far right idiot.

Looks like a full scale war is on the cards which could involve lots of countries.

 

[The blue phantom]

Do you think that missiles made of any old shite they can lay their hands on can hit Tel Aviv from Gaza? Hamas have built a whole industry in Gaza where they manufacture thousands of Iranian and Chinese designed missiles. It's a shame they don't make the same effort in looking after their own population. I'm not making excuses for Nethanyahu and his fundamentalist allies in power - from their position of strength they should be taking the lead in pursuing peace irrespective of what Hamas get up to rather than provoking conflict. But Hamas are no angels and Nethanyahu is playing into their hands by giving the Palestinians no hope of a just settlement thereby increasing support for Hamas.

Everyone knows it's not a 50/50 conflict in terms of military power and I don't believe anyone is pretending it is.

We know that Hamas firing Rockets is wrong and ultimately just ends up with enormous casualties on the Palestinian side. But seriously what do the Palestinians do, again now they are having to deal with further evictions from their homes in East Jerusalem. There's just nowhere to turn for them whatsoever so it's violence.

 

[west didsblue]

If the sides were more even peace would come about a lot sooner, especially when both sides know a lot of lives will be lost. But at present Israel can do as they please being led by a corrupt far right idiot.

Looks like a full scale war is on the cards which could involve lots of countries.

Doubt it would involve lots of countries, certainly no boots on the ground - at most supply of materiel. No mileage for anyone else to get involved.

 

[west didsblue]

We know that Hamas firing Rockets is wrong and ultimately just ends up with enormous casualties on the Palestinian side. But seriously what do the Palestinians do, again now they are having to deal with further evictions from their homes in East Jerusalem. There's just nowhere to turn for them whatsoever so it's violence.

Wish I knew the answer. Israel needs to elect a more moderate government that would make the first move. If it looked like Israel was being serious about a solution, support would ebb for Hamas.
Unfortunately both sides are entrenched at the moment and Nethanyahu will continue to get elected because the Israeli electorate are no different to ours or the Americans in that enough of them will vote for a populist who fearmongers and tells lies that people want to hear even if it's against their own long term interests. And he's not as stupid as Trump.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Hopefully Netanyahu is convicted in his corruption trial. At the moment he seems to be deliberately provocating tensions to stay in power for eternity.

East Jerusalem is illegally occupied territory, there shouldn't be evictions of anybody living there sanctioned by Israeli courts because they don't have legal authority to make those decisions.

There is no viable two state solution when Palestinian territory is peppered with settlements. A one state solution of a confederation like Belgium (that has protections for all religious communities) would be more practical, but generations on both sides hate each other because of the never ending conflict.

 

[Eds]

A concise summary of the situation currently happening in Israel

Jews have owned the land in question since 1875
In 1948 when Jordan captured the Old City of Jerusalem it confiscated the property & rented it to 28 Palestinian families.
In 1967 when Israel re-captured the Old City of Jerusalem it passed a law allowing Jewish families to reclaim property as long as they could prove ownership.
The Palestinian families still remained living there.
In 1973 the original ownership of the properties was returned to their Jewish owners.
In 1982 the Jewish owners sued to have the Palestinian families removed from the property, claiming they were squatters. , .
In 1993, the owners began - .
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, - . the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days
This is a dispute over .



Sheikh Jarrah is a predominantly, though not exclusively, small Arab neighbourhood of Jerusalem, that is about 2 – 3 kilometres from the Old City
Jews refer to the area as ‘Shimon Hatzadik’, in which the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’, a revered 3rd century BCE Jewish High Priest, is buried. The neighbourhood is often visited by Jewish pilgrims.
Palestinians claim the area derives its name from Sheikh Jarrah, a physician to Saladin, an Islamic military leader, who reportedly fought the Crusaders in the 12th century. His body is believed to be buried there.
The pro-Palestinian community is claiming that Israel is unjustly evicting four Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood and that this exemplifies accusations against Israel in the context of the broader conflict with the Palestinians.
In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted, for breaching the law.
The land in question was purchased by the local Jewish communities from their Arab owners in 1875 and the property was registered in the Ottoman land registry as a trust under the name of Rabbis Avraham Ashkenazi and Meir Auerbach. A small Jewish community lived there peacefully in co-existence with the local Arab community until 1948, when the War of Independence broke out.
The Jewish owners had tried to register ownership of the property with the authorities of the British Mandate in 1946.
When the War of Independence broke out in 1948, the Old City of Jerusalem and its surrounding area – including Sheikh Jarrah – was captured by Transjordan (now Jordan) and the Jewish families were forcibly evicted. Custodianship of the property was transferred to the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Properties. In 1956, the Jordanian government leased the property to 28 Palestinian families, while maintaining ownership of the property.
After the Six Day War in 1967, when Israel regained control of Jerusalem, it passed a law1 allowing Jews whose families were evicted by Jordanian or British authorities in the city prior to 1967, to reclaim their property, provided they could demonstrate proof of ownership and the existing residents were unable to provide such proof of purchase or legal transfer of title.
In 1973, ownership of the property was registered by Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee with Israeli authorities pursuant to the above law.
In 1982, the Jewish owners (Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee) sued the Palestinian families residing in Sheikh Jarrah and demanded their eviction on the basis that they were squatters on the property. The Magistrate Court determined that the Palestinian families could not demonstrate their ownership of the property, but that they enjoyed Protected Tenant Status. As protected tenants, they would be able to continue living on the property as long as they paid rent and maintained the property2. This arrangement was agreed upon mutually in agreement signed by the parties, in which the tenants recognized the trusts' ownership in exchange for protected tenant status.
Beginning in 1993, the trusts began proceedings against the residents based on their non-payment of rent and of illegal changes to the property. The residents never paid rent and carried out illegal construction on the property. The court previously ordered the residents to pay the outstanding rent and to immediately evacuate the illegally constructed additions.
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, in the absence of payment of rent, the Palestinian residents must vacate the premises, the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days.
Source: https://www.ilfngo.org/sheikhjarrahalegalbackground

 

[The blue phantom]

A concise summary of the situation currently happening in Israel

Jews have owned the land in question since 1875
In 1948 when Jordan captured the Old City of Jerusalem it confiscated the property & rented it to 28 Palestinian families.
In 1967 when Israel re-captured the Old City of Jerusalem it passed a law allowing Jewish families to reclaim property as long as they could prove ownership.
The Palestinian families still remained living there.
In 1973 the original ownership of the properties was returned to their Jewish owners.
In 1982 the Jewish owners sued to have the Palestinian families removed from the property, claiming they were squatters. , .
In 1993, the owners began - .
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, - . the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days
This is a dispute over .



Sheikh Jarrah is a predominantly, though not exclusively, small Arab neighbourhood of Jerusalem, that is about 2 – 3 kilometres from the Old City
Jews refer to the area as ‘Shimon Hatzadik’, in which the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’, a revered 3rd century BCE Jewish High Priest, is buried. The neighbourhood is often visited by Jewish pilgrims.
Palestinians claim the area derives its name from Sheikh Jarrah, a physician to Saladin, an Islamic military leader, who reportedly fought the Crusaders in the 12th century. His body is believed to be buried there.
The pro-Palestinian community is claiming that Israel is unjustly evicting four Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood and that this exemplifies accusations against Israel in the context of the broader conflict with the Palestinians.
In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted, for breaching the law.
The land in question was purchased by the local Jewish communities from their Arab owners in 1875 and the property was registered in the Ottoman land registry as a trust under the name of Rabbis Avraham Ashkenazi and Meir Auerbach. A small Jewish community lived there peacefully in co-existence with the local Arab community until 1948, when the War of Independence broke out.
The Jewish owners had tried to register ownership of the property with the authorities of the British Mandate in 1946.
When the War of Independence broke out in 1948, the Old City of Jerusalem and its surrounding area – including Sheikh Jarrah – was captured by Transjordan (now Jordan) and the Jewish families were forcibly evicted. Custodianship of the property was transferred to the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Properties. In 1956, the Jordanian government leased the property to 28 Palestinian families, while maintaining ownership of the property.
After the Six Day War in 1967, when Israel regained control of Jerusalem, it passed a law1 allowing Jews whose families were evicted by Jordanian or British authorities in the city prior to 1967, to reclaim their property, provided they could demonstrate proof of ownership and the existing residents were unable to provide such proof of purchase or legal transfer of title.
In 1973, ownership of the property was registered by Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee with Israeli authorities pursuant to the above law.
In 1982, the Jewish owners (Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee) sued the Palestinian families residing in Sheikh Jarrah and demanded their eviction on the basis that they were squatters on the property. The Magistrate Court determined that the Palestinian families could not demonstrate their ownership of the property, but that they enjoyed Protected Tenant Status. As protected tenants, they would be able to continue living on the property as long as they paid rent and maintained the property2. This arrangement was agreed upon mutually in agreement signed by the parties, in which the tenants recognized the trusts' ownership in exchange for protected tenant status.
Beginning in 1993, the trusts began proceedings against the residents based on their non-payment of rent and of illegal changes to the property. The residents never paid rent and carried out illegal construction on the property. The court previously ordered the residents to pay the outstanding rent and to immediately evacuate the illegally constructed additions.
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, in the absence of payment of rent, the Palestinian residents must vacate the premises, the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days.
Source: https://www.ilfngo.org/sheikhjarrahalegalbackground

A more concise summary here too.

General Assembly Adopts Seven Resolutions, Including Texts on Middle East, Citing Illegality of Annexing Occupied Palestinian Territory.​

General Assembly Adopts Seven Resolutions, Including Texts on Middle East, Citing Illegality of Annexing Occupied Palestinian Territory | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases

The General Assembly today adopted seven resolutions, including five on the question of Palestine and the Middle East, one of which cited the illegality of annexing any part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and two on the importance of fostering a culture of peace.

www.un.org

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

A concise summary of the situation currently happening in Israel

Jews have owned the land in question since 1875
In 1948 when Jordan captured the Old City of Jerusalem it confiscated the property & rented it to 28 Palestinian families.
In 1967 when Israel re-captured the Old City of Jerusalem it passed a law allowing Jewish families to reclaim property as long as they could prove ownership.
The Palestinian families still remained living there.
In 1973 the original ownership of the properties was returned to their Jewish owners.
In 1982 the Jewish owners sued to have the Palestinian families removed from the property, claiming they were squatters. , .
In 1993, the owners began - .
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, - . the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days
This is a dispute over .



Sheikh Jarrah is a predominantly, though not exclusively, small Arab neighbourhood of Jerusalem, that is about 2 – 3 kilometres from the Old City
Jews refer to the area as ‘Shimon Hatzadik’, in which the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’, a revered 3rd century BCE Jewish High Priest, is buried. The neighbourhood is often visited by Jewish pilgrims.
Palestinians claim the area derives its name from Sheikh Jarrah, a physician to Saladin, an Islamic military leader, who reportedly fought the Crusaders in the 12th century. His body is believed to be buried there.
The pro-Palestinian community is claiming that Israel is unjustly evicting four Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood and that this exemplifies accusations against Israel in the context of the broader conflict with the Palestinians.
In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted, for breaching the law.
The land in question was purchased by the local Jewish communities from their Arab owners in 1875 and the property was registered in the Ottoman land registry as a trust under the name of Rabbis Avraham Ashkenazi and Meir Auerbach. A small Jewish community lived there peacefully in co-existence with the local Arab community until 1948, when the War of Independence broke out.
The Jewish owners had tried to register ownership of the property with the authorities of the British Mandate in 1946.
When the War of Independence broke out in 1948, the Old City of Jerusalem and its surrounding area – including Sheikh Jarrah – was captured by Transjordan (now Jordan) and the Jewish families were forcibly evicted. Custodianship of the property was transferred to the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Properties. In 1956, the Jordanian government leased the property to 28 Palestinian families, while maintaining ownership of the property.
After the Six Day War in 1967, when Israel regained control of Jerusalem, it passed a law1 allowing Jews whose families were evicted by Jordanian or British authorities in the city prior to 1967, to reclaim their property, provided they could demonstrate proof of ownership and the existing residents were unable to provide such proof of purchase or legal transfer of title.
In 1973, ownership of the property was registered by Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee with Israeli authorities pursuant to the above law.
In 1982, the Jewish owners (Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee) sued the Palestinian families residing in Sheikh Jarrah and demanded their eviction on the basis that they were squatters on the property. The Magistrate Court determined that the Palestinian families could not demonstrate their ownership of the property, but that they enjoyed Protected Tenant Status. As protected tenants, they would be able to continue living on the property as long as they paid rent and maintained the property2. This arrangement was agreed upon mutually in agreement signed by the parties, in which the tenants recognized the trusts' ownership in exchange for protected tenant status.
Beginning in 1993, the trusts began proceedings against the residents based on their non-payment of rent and of illegal changes to the property. The residents never paid rent and carried out illegal construction on the property. The court previously ordered the residents to pay the outstanding rent and to immediately evacuate the illegally constructed additions.
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, in the absence of payment of rent, the Palestinian residents must vacate the premises, the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days.
Source: https://www.ilfngo.org/sheikhjarrahalegalbackground

That is a partisan organisation headquartered in Tel Aviv.

Why should the ownership return to the "original owners" when the ownership rights of Palestinians in territory that is now Israel proper has been erased by conflicts from 1948 onwards?