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[KPXBLN]

A concise summary of the situation currently happening in Israel

Jews have owned the land in question since 1875
In 1948 when Jordan captured the Old City of Jerusalem it confiscated the property & rented it to 28 Palestinian families.
In 1967 when Israel re-captured the Old City of Jerusalem it passed a law allowing Jewish families to reclaim property as long as they could prove ownership.
The Palestinian families still remained living there.
In 1973 the original ownership of the properties was returned to their Jewish owners.
In 1982 the Jewish owners sued to have the Palestinian families removed from the property, claiming they were squatters. , .
In 1993, the owners began - .
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, - . the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days
This is a dispute over .



Sheikh Jarrah is a predominantly, though not exclusively, small Arab neighbourhood of Jerusalem, that is about 2 – 3 kilometres from the Old City
Jews refer to the area as ‘Shimon Hatzadik’, in which the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’, a revered 3rd century BCE Jewish High Priest, is buried. The neighbourhood is often visited by Jewish pilgrims.
Palestinians claim the area derives its name from Sheikh Jarrah, a physician to Saladin, an Islamic military leader, who reportedly fought the Crusaders in the 12th century. His body is believed to be buried there.
The pro-Palestinian community is claiming that Israel is unjustly evicting four Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood and that this exemplifies accusations against Israel in the context of the broader conflict with the Palestinians.
In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted, for breaching the law.
The land in question was purchased by the local Jewish communities from their Arab owners in 1875 and the property was registered in the Ottoman land registry as a trust under the name of Rabbis Avraham Ashkenazi and Meir Auerbach. A small Jewish community lived there peacefully in co-existence with the local Arab community until 1948, when the War of Independence broke out.
The Jewish owners had tried to register ownership of the property with the authorities of the British Mandate in 1946.
When the War of Independence broke out in 1948, the Old City of Jerusalem and its surrounding area – including Sheikh Jarrah – was captured by Transjordan (now Jordan) and the Jewish families were forcibly evicted. Custodianship of the property was transferred to the Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Properties. In 1956, the Jordanian government leased the property to 28 Palestinian families, while maintaining ownership of the property.
After the Six Day War in 1967, when Israel regained control of Jerusalem, it passed a law1 allowing Jews whose families were evicted by Jordanian or British authorities in the city prior to 1967, to reclaim their property, provided they could demonstrate proof of ownership and the existing residents were unable to provide such proof of purchase or legal transfer of title.
In 1973, ownership of the property was registered by Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee with Israeli authorities pursuant to the above law.
In 1982, the Jewish owners (Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee) sued the Palestinian families residing in Sheikh Jarrah and demanded their eviction on the basis that they were squatters on the property. The Magistrate Court determined that the Palestinian families could not demonstrate their ownership of the property, but that they enjoyed Protected Tenant Status. As protected tenants, they would be able to continue living on the property as long as they paid rent and maintained the property2. This arrangement was agreed upon mutually in agreement signed by the parties, in which the tenants recognized the trusts' ownership in exchange for protected tenant status.
Beginning in 1993, the trusts began proceedings against the residents based on their non-payment of rent and of illegal changes to the property. The residents never paid rent and carried out illegal construction on the property. The court previously ordered the residents to pay the outstanding rent and to immediately evacuate the illegally constructed additions.
Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier court decision that, in the absence of payment of rent, the Palestinian residents must vacate the premises, the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected within the next 30 days.
Source: https://www.ilfngo.org/sheikhjarrahalegalbackground

So you are in favour of the restitution of all property and land in the region to its pre-1948 owners or their descendants?

 

[Magicpole]

Israel v Palestinians is not a war. Just like me fighting an old frail man wouldn't be a fight. It's a liberty. Jewish Settlers evicting people from their homes because a made up book of shite said it was theirs. The only people hapoy are those evangelical scum praying for Armeggedon. Thank fuck prayers are useless. I support Israel's right to exist, and also the Palestinians right to territory. Religion, a fucking cancer of humanity.

 

[Eds]

In response to everyone I was just trying to put the issue in context, if you don't want to believe that is fine, I am not getting involved in pointless arguing. If you think firing over 1,000 rockets from civilian areas into civilian areas is ok then let's leave it at that shall we.

 

[Magicpole]

In response to everyone I was just trying to put the issue in context, if you don't want to believe that is fine, I am not getting involved in pointless arguing. If you think firing over 1,000 rockets from civilian areas into civilian areas is ok then let's leave it at that shall we.

Nobody is saying it's ok. But are you saying Israeli land grabbing and violence is?

 

[KPXBLN]

In response to everyone I was just trying to put the issue in context, if you don't want to believe that is fine, I am not getting involved in pointless arguing. If you think firing over 1,000 rockets from civilian areas into civilian areas is ok then let's leave it at that shall we.

No you weren’t, you were misrepresenting the context.

 

[The blue phantom]

Nobody is saying it's ok. But are you saying Israeli land grabbing and violence is?

Isn't it strange that like you say not one single person has justified Hamas sending Rockets over yet this poster has stated we have. But as he said he doesn't want to get involved in pointless arguing.

Ycmiu.

 

[Magicpole]

Isn't it strange that like you say not one single person has justified Hamas sending Rockets over yet this poster has stated we have. But as he said he doesn't want to get involved in pointless arguing.

Ycmiu.

My view is, if I make a point I defend it. If information is provided to counter it, showing my position is wrong, accept it and say you do. To throw a point in, get questioned then bow out isn't the best way. Also, arguing a point is not having a go at the person, it's the point you are debating.

 

[mat]

Of course it is mate, You are quite fine to call the Israeli government a bunch of land grabbing thieving murderering Bastards, Held to account by no one!

When I've been done it I've been called a Hammas/Hezbollah anti semetic bastard.

And that's by a moderate!

 

[cucumberman]

Went through this thread and see a few "You are ignoring content by this member". Same old chaps.

Just here posting that my colleague lost her Palestinian friend and children to last night's strike. I myself have been trying to get hold of my colleagues and their families there to ask how they are holding up. Headstrong and resilient folks they are, hardly dithered by life's hardships. Reminded me of a teleconference I had a few years back, when a strike occurred, power went down for them for several hours. Quite a wait from my end to figure out if he was alright. Power back on, he just shrugged it off as an it is what it is.

I agree with many here. When families are fighting tooth and nail and risking all they have (including their lives) to keep their homes if not their dignity, can't fathom why there is still a debate.

 

[metalblue]

Went through this thread and see a few "You are ignoring content by this member". Same old chaps.

Just here posting that my colleague lost her Palestinian friend and children to last night's strike. I myself have been trying to get hold of my colleagues and their families there to ask how they are holding up. Headstrong and resilient folks they are, hardly dithered by life's hardships. Reminded me of a teleconference I had a few years back, when a strike occurred, power went down for them for several hours. Quite a wait from my end to figure out if he was alright. Power back on, he just shrugged it off as an it is what it is.

I agree with many here. When families are fighting tooth and nail and risking all they have (including their lives) to keep their homes if not their dignity, can't fathom why there is still a debate.

Sorry to hear that mate.

This is the sad reality of the human cost while “leaders” on both sides continue to be anything but leaders.