Middle East Conflict

[Zabbasbeard]

A belief without a rational foundation and knowledge is merely a prejudice.

There was another horrid situation that existed in Gaza before October 7th, and that was the incarceration and repression of a population of 2.3 million people in a small strip of land where the air, land and sea is controlled by a hostile power which also controls the food, water, fuel, power, medical supplies at a subsistence level. Where there is no opportunity to develop an economy, which has an unemployment rate of 40% with the available jobs paying barely enough survive on. There are people in Gaza who have never known what it is like to eat a full meal.
On top of all this the separation wall is an automated killing machine with remote cameras, sensors and guns. Where cameras and automated point directly a people's houses and roofs of houses waiting to detect movement before immediately opening fire.
On top of this again, the IDF regularly bombs the Strip in what they call "mowing the lawn", designed to degrade infrastructure and any development the residents of this concentration camp may have managed to build up since the last time the lawn was mowed.
No one can live under the conditions Israel imposes on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
The only surprising thing about this is that it took as long as it did for the Palestinians to rise up and fight back in anyway they could.


This conflict did not start on October 7th.
You really need to look a bit deeper at the occupation. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube, made by reputable journalists and news organisations that you need to look at and then come back hand on heart and tell us if you would be willing to live under those conditions without wanting to fight for your family, your house, your land and your people.

Excellent post which tells it as it is.

 

[Roachy]

Seriously? You really want someone to post evidence of settler land grabs? You can't just google "settler land grabs" or look at a map?

Maybe you should go back a post or two and look at the initial post instead of jumping in half cocked looking foolish. That goes for your little "likes" posters as well.

 

[dublinblue12]

'We have lied previously, that's been proven, but we are absolutely not lieing now, honestly - here's a badly cut video of a tunnel we found in the hospital, but as no one is allowed in to verify these claims, you will just have to take our word for it and thank you for your understanding'.

 

[Zabbasbeard]

So we need to be understanding of those who murder, rape and kidnap do we?

Typical comment showing the moral depravity of the terrorist sympathisers and apologists in this thread, and why I largely stay out of it now. "Yeah we all condemn it but we understand why it happens".

It's a fucking moral cesspit.

The moral cesspit is when people smear others and don't condemn the murderous barbarity on BOTH sides.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

There will be tunnels all over Gaza. Some for military purposes and some for smugglers and some may have been used for both.

The tunnel isn't any evidence of a command and control centre though is it?

If you are ten metres underground, you'll need communications infrastructure. No evidence of that, there isn't even any weapons stores down there. I couldn't see any ventilation systems in the clip either, wouldn't they be necessary for long spells in a single space underground. Wouldn't the IDF highlight them if they existed and were complex?

The IDF imagining of a 4 or 5 storey subterranean complex is this conflict's Tora Bora. Credit to other posters who already mentioned it. It's fanciful stuff and straight out of movies and videogames.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I have heard nothing from you or any other supporter of Israel to suggest that you have any qualms about what the IDF is doing.

The moral cesspit is when people smear others and don't condemn the murderous barbarity on BOTH sides.

Here's what I posted on page 913.

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On the same weekend of our largest protest March with 800,000+ was also yesterday the Arab League Summit of 57 countries including Palestine, on the Gaza situation. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-host-extraordinary-joint-islamic-arab-summit-riyadh-saturday-2023-11-10/...

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

 

[Zabbasbeard]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

Only liberal democracy? Seriously?

A liberal democracy doesn't allow and encourage repeated settler violence and human rights abuses like Netanyahu and his far right government do.

It is shameful to smear people who call that out, especially when people condemn the murderous barbarism on BOTH sides.

The answer to this is political - a two state solution with a fair allocation of land and a recognition of each other's right to exist.

If only the extremists on both sides were sidelined and reason could prevail.

 

[M16 citeh]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

Hahahaha the only ethno state liberal democracy get off your high horse mate. Remember USA is a liberal democracy don't see many human rights there...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Only liberal democracy? Seriously?

A liberal democracy doesn't allow and encourage repeated settler violence and human rights abuses like Netanyahu and his far right government do.

It is shameful to smear people who call that out, especially when people condemn the murderous barbarism on BOTH sides.

The answer to this is political - a two state solution with a fair allocation of land and a recognition of each other's right to exist.

If only the extremists on both sides were sidelined and reason could prevail.

I absolutely agree.

But it's still a democracy, however imperfect its actions. I've said on here many times that the settlers are an absolute curse and their enablement by a nasty right-wing coalition is criminal. I hope the many decent people in Israel see this eventually but the electoral system gives the lunatics a voice.

 

[BayernMan]