Middle East Conflict

[Roachy]

I reckon Bert Trautman would never have played a single game for City if the current pro Israel lobby (on here) were about at the time.

They're equally offset by the anti Israel group to be fair.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I sort of agree with that. Its how life works tbh. Same with not supplying goods and services to an enemy that has just massacred hundreds of your people.

But what will that justice achieve? We all know, it will exacerbate the situation, make it worse down the line, move them further away from a long term peace of some sorts. So would you say still do it?

The problem is what do they do then?

Chances are if they don’t take out Hamas they will be attacked again and it could be worse next time. War is always difficult and there will be casualties on both sides, but it will get to a point where you have to do something.

Hamas basically want to wipe out all Jewish people, I don’t see how you can just leave them to get on with it and hope some kind of peace treaty comes in, especially after what happened last week.

If any country was attacked chances are they would fight back. We just need to consider how do you keep as many innocent people as possible safe.. which is difficult

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Strange that of all the horrific acts that have been confirmed in the past week it's unconfirmed reports and therefore potential propaganda that seems to be getting banded about as a reason to take a side.

A lot of it isn’t unconfirmed at all though. There’s literally images of babies who have been executed and entire families burned alive. Is that not enough evidence for you?

Of course there’s disinformation - that’s the internet for you/ life in general. There’s clear evidence of horrific things going on with both sides.

 

[Ballymagash Blue]

Sam Harris on the problem of moral equivalence and recent events.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Surely justice is mostly revenge. You kill someone, you get sent to prison or die? The Israelis are trying to deal with an enemy that would kill all of them, every last one of them and then celebrate in the streets afterwards. You have to come up with a solution that keeps Israeli families safe after this massacre. And I don't think 'let's do nothing' is an acceptable or realistic answer.

No not at all. Killing innocent people isn't justice.

So Israel needs to kill as many innocents as they wish because Hamas would kill all of the jews if they had the ability to. Hamas could be neutralised by other means.

It's not acceptable to escalate the conflict into full out war and take tens/hundreds of thousands of lives because of terrorism.

 

[trueblue1972]

Not when there's thousands of civilians in the same vicinity they aren't. That's why it's been labelled War Crimes.

Those people were civilians !

 

[snorky]

No not at all. Killing innocent people isn't justice.

So Israel needs to kill as many innocents as they wish because Hamas would kill all of the jews if they had the ability to. Hamas could be neutralised by other means.

It's not acceptable to escalate the conflict into full out war and take tens/hundreds of thousands of lives because of terrorism.

Neutralised how mate?

 

[domalino]

. You have to come up with a solution that keeps Israeli families safe after this massacre. And I don't think 'let's do nothing' is an acceptable or realistic answer.

I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention for the last 20 years but Israel killing loads of Palestinian civilians, bombing them to hell, blocking the borders, not allowing them to have power or aid or fish in the Mediterranean or have an airport or a seaport and continually building new settlements has done absolutely nothing to protect Israeli families.

They cannot stop this with violence.

They will invade, kill 40-60,000 people (half of whom are children) and the Hamas leadership will be watching from Qatar laughing themselves silly that they’ve just got another generation of recruits.

 

[inbetween]

No not at all. Killing innocent people isn't justice.

So Israel needs to kill as many innocents as they wish because Hamas would kill all of the jews if they had the ability to. Hamas could be neutralised by other means.

It's not acceptable to escalate the conflict into full out war and take tens/hundreds of thousands of lives because of terrorism.

How do you neutralise Hamas by other means? What do you do about the rocket attacks that fly over into Israel in the meantime?

The only answer really is a ground campaign but that is likely to be far more dangerous and still result in civilian casualties.

The short answer is Hamas have to stop and until they stop they're responsible for what happens because Israel will always argue self-defence.

 

[domalino]

Neutralised how mate?

If you actually want to stop Hamas you have to deal with Qatar. Make a deal that’s acceptable to Qatar in return for giving up the Hamas leadership and having them face trial for their crimes.

But Qatar really isn’t going to want to do that so something tangible will have to be given up.