Middle East Conflict

Just seen some footage of an Israeli reserve brigade driving what looks like Hummers with a turret and canon on the top. Not being funny but the driver sat behind a Hummer windscreen will not being funny but the driver pretty vulnerable behind a windscreen and once and something the Ukraine/Russia conflict has shown is an immobilised turret is pretty fucking vulnerable. I am starting to see that so called military super powers tend to get high on their own supply and can learn the reality in a harsh way
 
Is the below from the BBC another reason for the Israeli evacuation calls from the north of the Gaza strip, so in what is already one of the most densely populated places on the planet, even more land can be taken from the Palestinians?:


Cabinet minister Gideon Sa’ar has appeared on Israeli TV. He said Hamas must be destroyed so it could never threaten Israel again, adding this would serve as a lesson to the region.

He also said that Gaza must end up smaller - with Israel taking control of a belt of land in the east and north of the strip. This would be a "security zone" and anyone who entered it would be "intercepted" by the military.

He made clear these objectives were his personal views. but that he was saying them everywhere. Sa’ar said losing land was the price that “Arabs understand”.

This will play into the worst fears of Palestinians as it evokes for them the core issue - the loss of their lands in the conflicts surrounding Israel’s creation 75 years ago.
 
Also from the BBC, a United Nations Relief and Works Agency worker acknowledges last week's horrendous attack, describes the dire situation in Gaza and says the way which the siege is being implemented is collective punishment, which as discussed on this thread is a war crime:

Philippe Lazzarini works for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees. He says his agency is no longer able to provide humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

“There is not one drop of water, not one grain of wheat, not a litre of fuel, that has been allowed into the Gaza Strip for the last eight days,” he says.

The number of people seeking shelter in the organisation’s schools and facilities in the south is overwhelming, 14 members of his organisation have been killed, and Gaza is running out of body bags.

“Every hour we receive more and more desperate calls for help from people across the strip.

“Last week’s attack on Israel was horrendous. The attack and the taking of hostages are a flagrant violation of international humanitarian law. But the answer to killing civilians cannot be to kill more civilians.

“The siege in Gaza, the way it is imposed, is nothing else than collective punishment,” he says.
 
Posters openly advocating (not quoting Israel or anyone else but their own opinions) wiping out Gaza or wiping out Iran. Wonder why that is allowed to be said and if someone had an opinion to wipe out Ukraine or Israel, would that be allowed? Or it is only allowed to be said for certain communities?
 
So when you call it a tragedy of war are you saying that actions from both sides are legitimate or are you saying one is terrorism and the other isn’t or are both actions terrorism?

I’m confused.
I'm saying neither side are legitimate in any conflict be it war or terrorism in terms of the intended or collateral slaughter of innocents. Sorry for your confusion.
 
Posters openly advocating (not quoting Israel or anyone else but their own opinions) wiping out Gaza or wiping out Iran. Wonder why that is allowed to be said and if someone had an opinion to wipe out Ukraine or Israel, would that be allowed? Or it is only allowed to be said for certain communities?
Has anyone suggested wiping out Gaza? Seen a few suggestions about wiping out Hamas but I don’t see a problem with that.
 
Wonder where we’d be if Iran spent their money on infrastructure, homes, industry, education & jobs, instead of rockets rifles & propaganda in Gaza
I wonder where the world would be if everyone who spunked massive amounts on arms not on people in deprivation did that

Iran
N Korea
America
Russia
UK
Germany???? (fuck knows why)
South Korea
China
India

all have massive levels of people in poverty and rising or high homelessness or poor services yet all love buying bombs and tanks etc
 
I wonder where the world would be if everyone who spunked massive amounts on arms not on people in deprivation did that

Iran
N Korea
America
Russia
UK
Germany???? (fuck knows why)
South Korea
China
India

all have massive levels of people in poverty and rising or high homelessness or poor services yet all love buying bombs and tanks etc
Humanity is fucked, basically.
 

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