The BBC has segments explaining that because they recently received criticism from a government minister for not calling them terrorists (something that the current Tory government also refused to do for 11 of their last 13 years in power). It shouldn't need to be explained why a supposedly independent broadcaster shouldn't be forced to automatically use the same language as the government in charge.I know Europe is rapidly becoming more and more Muslim, but even BBC Newswatch had an entire segment on why they were not saying the word “terrorist” and calling it the “Israel-Gaza Conflict.”
Are settlers stealing Palestinian land extremists?First I don't hold the current young generation of Palestinians responsible, it is dire and we somehow need to get out of this vicious cycle.
However I would strongly dispute your analogy here around collective responsibility.
British Jews do not have a right to vote in the Israeli elections (in general of course) and therefore cannot be held to account for the current government or previous governments. Fine, in general most will take a side but that's very different from being accountable. It is clear that a significant number of people do take the view that Jews are collectively responsible. Whilst I applaud the generally peaceful protests in cities in the UK today, sadly I feel pro Israel demonstrations would be met with aggression, we are seeing a sharp rise in anti semitism which is unjustified, much of which stems from outright anti semitism or this view of collective responsibility of a religion.
Palestinians in Gaza have democratically voted in a Hamas government. Now you can turn around and say that they had no choice, it was under duress but that itself can be disputed. Arguments of Hamas the terrorists being such a small insignificant minority cannot be given if the same arguments of duress are used for nearly 2 million people. Equally when opinion polls are taken in Gaza where over 50% of people are generally positive towards Hamas then these arguments we see start to become weaker when we are talking about duress in a democratic election.
Even if you accept that it was duress, which I personally don't, it has only been 1 or 2 generations ago where they could have done something about it but they didn't, they, the arab states around and others, let it get out of control. It was only 2 or 3 generations ago that the same families of Palestinians rejected a two state solution with the option of Jerusalem being an international city, as did the Arab countries around it.
If you don't deal with extremism in your ranks early on, or you accept the serious negatives for some positives, when it gets out of control, then you have to share some of that accountability for the generations to come.
That does not mean innocents deserve to die, certainly not, but in terms of collective responsibility of a religion, I disagree with the point and analogy.
Wonder where we’d be if Iran spent their money on infrastructure, homes, industry, education & jobs, instead of rockets rifles & propaganda in GazaTill Iran is wiped out nothing will change. They are the ones who are backing Hamas and Hezbollah
If I understand you correctly, you’re condoning a collective punishment by wiping out the 2.3 million inhabitants of Gaza, 1 million of which are children?“Israel-Gaza Conflict.” Confict according to my dictionary means "a serious disagreement or argument" Nipping over someone's border and murdering 100s if not 1000's of inhabitants is not a fucking argument, Its an invitation to get wiped out.
I wonder where we’d be without an illegal occupation, apartheid worse than South Africa and the worlds largest open air prison?!?Wonder where we’d be if Iran spent their money on infrastructure, homes, industry, education & jobs, instead of rockets rifles & propaganda in Gaza
Not at all. What I am saying is when they voted in Hamas they were well aware of Hamas' ideology and chose to ignore it. Hamas did not suddenly change its ideology. The same happens throughout history. You are not absolved of accountability when those extremes that you ignored come to fruition and that's the point I am making with respect to the original comparison of accountability of the Jewish people as a religion and Gazans.
Till Iran is wiped out nothing will change. They are the ones who are backing Hamas and Hezbollah
It’s not Iran being “wiped out,” but rather a more secular leadership that is not intent on using warped theo-political views to accelerate its agenda.Till Iran is wiped out nothing will change. They are the ones who are backing Hamas and Hezbollah
You said a mouthful there.I know it’s easy for you to pretend the civilians dying in Gaza are accountable for Hamas but is complete shit.
And it’s bizarre that you can so clearly see that non-Israeli Jews who can’t vote are not responsible for Israel, but can’t see that another group (Gazans) with no democratic rights is also not responsible for the actions of the people they can’t control.
What would you prefer them to fund ?I wonder where we’d be without an illegal occupation, apartheid worse than South Africa and the worlds largest open air prison?!?
They bought and then broke it, and NOW they want more?I wonder where we’d be without an illegal occupation, apartheid worse than South Africa and the worlds largest open air prison?!?
Anyone not seeing above must be not only living in their bubble but deliberately ignoring what has been happening around them trying to stick to an idealogy to their own detriment.As someone who frequently travels in and out of major European cities over time, I can only tell you what my eyes see. I have no political dog in the hunt and, speaking of tropes, I resent your EDL assertion as soon as anyone gives you their personal impression of their own experiences. Paris, Milan, Rome, Barcelona, Brussels, Amsterdam and especially Frankfurt just in recent months.
Maybe Pew Research will help with your head wobbling…
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It’s not even a contentious assertion!
There would be no need for Iran to fund them if the past 75 years of illegal occupation hadn’t happened in the first place?What would you prefer them to fund ?
Sorry “bought and then broke” what?They bought and then broke it, and NOW they want more?
It’s not Iran being “wiped out,” but rather a more secular leadership that is not intent on using warped theo-political views to accelerate its agenda.
Iran has been, and can be again, a great society.
There would be no need for Iran to fund them if the past 75 years of illegal occupation hadn’t happened in the first place?
Very true, and one of the primary reasons it’s now a theocratic nightmare is because we, alongside the US orchestrated the coup that put The Shah in place.For most of human history it’s been the forefront of civilisation.
I really hope one day it’s opened up again properly and safe to travel to, because the depth of history and culture there is amazing.