Middle East Conflict

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I hope that everyone sees and understands the difference between money that goes to defense and living settlements and money that goes to death tunnels! Everyone closes their eyes that instead of moving forward and building hospitals and businesses and workplaces with the big money of the Arab world, everything goes to terrorism! Gaza closed its eyes and it's time for the world to intervene
, why is the goal of a people only terrorism?
Don't you see the difference between
the parties? I understand years of images and brainwashing by the BBC but everyone knows the truth

Google translate?

I'm not sure that suddenly being understandable is going to help.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Palestinians were killing Jews before there was even a state of Israel in the 1920s and 30s, just for having the audacity to emigrate there. Also when they invaded Israel multiple times over the following decades at first without provocation from Israel first.

So it’s a bit disingenuous to say that they’re only killing them because of Israel’s actions over the last number of decades because they’ve been killing them for a century before any of these horrific actions were even thought of.

And that is the root cause of this entire problem there… there are always going to be many who simply do not want Jews there, full stop. They have and always will kill them no matter what. Even if Israel opens up to Palestinians and holds their regions as fair-shared land with the same rights for everyone, there will always be Jews killed for being Jews in that region.

That is the problem, number one, that needs sorting out before anything else.

Although, it must be said, that the Israeli ultra-Nationalism is now also a big problem that will also need sorting out.

So after the Balfour Declaration which promised Jews a homeland that included land already occupied by Palestinian Arabs and reneged on agreement already made with the Arabs?

I think you may have a prejudicial view, and lack objectivity.

Why would anyone be welcoming to people who were clearly settling in their country with the view to take it over or taking a controlling share of political life?

It's the thing repeated as a lie in the UK and other European countries to get people wound up about immigrants, but if it was true, wouldn't they have some justification in hating immigrants?

You've ascribed something abnormal to the Palestinian Arabs, a pathological hatred of Jews, when it was actually something quite normal. Distrust of a people with their own agenda that ran in direct opposition to their interests.

Even the most peaceful cultures wouldn't have accepted that. Maybe go talk to a Native American.

 

[Ducado]

Palestinians were killing Jews before there was even a state of Israel in the 1920s and 30s, just for having the audacity to emigrate there. Also when they invaded Israel multiple times over the following decades at first without provocation from Israel first.

So it’s a bit disingenuous to say that they’re only killing them because of Israel’s actions over the last number of decades because they’ve been killing them for a century before any of these horrific actions were even thought of.

And that is the root cause of this entire problem there… there are always going to be many who simply do not want Jews there, full stop. They have and always will kill them no matter what. Even if Israel opens up to Palestinians and holds their regions as fair-shared land with the same rights for everyone, there will always be Jews killed for being Jews in that region.

That is the problem, number one, that needs sorting out before anything else.

Although, it must be said, that the Israeli ultra-Nationalism is now also a big problem that will also need sorting out.

There are people on both sides of the conflict in Northern Ireland that did not want it to stop, but the vast majority of people on both sides will do anything for a peaceful life

 

[lust overlord]

I hope that everyone sees and understands the difference between money that goes to defense and living settlements and money that goes to death tunnels! Everyone closes their eyes that instead of moving forward and building hospitals and businesses and workplaces with the big money of the Arab world, everything goes to terrorism! Gaza closed its eyes and it's time for the world to intervene
, why is the goal of a people only terrorism?
Don't you see the difference between
the parties? I understand years of images and brainwashing by the BBC but everyone knows the truth

Yeah everyone knows the truth.

If you are typical of the Israeli general public then there is little hope that any real resolution to this conflict will take place that brings long term peace,or stability.

Both sides civilians keep dancing to the tune of the extremists so there is no end in sight.

 

[robbieh]

Palestinians were killing Jews before there was even a state of Israel in the 1920s and 30s, just for having the audacity to emigrate there. Also when they invaded Israel multiple times over the following decades at first without provocation from Israel first.

So it’s a bit disingenuous to say that they’re only killing them because of Israel’s actions over the last number of decades because they’ve been killing them for a century before any of these horrific actions were even thought of.

And that is the root cause of this entire problem there… there are always going to be many who simply do not want Jews there, full stop. They have and always will kill them no matter what. Even if Israel opens up to Palestinians and holds their regions as fair-shared land with the same rights for everyone, there will always be Jews killed for being Jews in that region.

That is the problem, number one, that needs sorting out before anything else.

Although, it must be said, that the Israeli ultra-Nationalism is now also a big problem that will also need sorting out.

Actually incorrect in that there were plenty of Jewish attacks on Arabs well before 48. As well as vice versa.
In addition the first Palesinian war was caused by the destruction of Palestinian villages and the subsequent fleeing of 700,000 people.
Not sure you quite get how much Palestinian land and property was sequestered during this period.

 

[Ducado]

US not supporting Isreal?
The only chance of that would be if the world was a radioactive cinder.

In the beginning they were ambiguous, it wasn’t s in their interests to support Israel until it isn’t (first gulf war for example Israel came very close to being cut adrift, they were going to attack Iraq for launching Scuds at them, doing so would have destroyed the coalition, and they were adamant about it, until they were told in no uncertain terms that if they did, there was no more military aid, they didn’t

 

[Berts Neck]

So after the Balfour Declaration which promised Jews a homeland that included land already occupied by Palestinian Arabs and reneged on agreement already made with the Arabs?

I think you may have a prejudicial view, and lack objectivity.

Why would anyone be welcoming to people who were clearly settling in their country with the view to take it over or taking a controlling share of political life?

It's the thing repeated as a lie in the UK and other European countries to get people wound up about immigrants, but if it was true, wouldn't they have some justification in hating immigrants?

You've ascribed something abnormal to the Palestinian Arabs, a pathological hatred of Jews, when it was actually something quite normal. Distrust of a people with their own agenda that ran in direct opposition to their interests.

Even the most peaceful cultures wouldn't have accepted that. Maybe go talk to a Native American.

Good Morning !!
It was indeed a strange decision to choose Palestine in some ways as perhaps with the benefit of hindsight not the greatest choice, but historically the most obvious. I believe Hertzl and Weissman looked at Uganda and Argentina as possibilities for a new homeland. Hitler later suggested Madagascar. At the turn of the 20th century there was a small percentage of Jews in Palestine and the impresssion I get is there was peace and harmony. But after the Pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe, the Jews started to move to Palestine. In fact they started to legally buy property from Palestinians and this caused some resentment.
Has anyone wathced Born in Gaza yet ?Interested on comments about that ?

 

[TinFoilHat]

I can't watch any news coverage anymore.

I can't tell fact from propaganda.
I'm getting pissed off with the gaslighting from various Israeli speakers attacking news agencies as "supporters of terrorism" for having the audacity to challenge their answers.

 

[metalblue]

I hope that everyone sees and understands the difference between money that goes to defense and living settlements and money that goes to death tunnels! Everyone closes their eyes that instead of moving forward and building hospitals and businesses and workplaces with the big money of the Arab world, everything goes to terrorism! Gaza closed its eyes and it's time for the world to intervene
, why is the goal of a people only terrorism?
Don't you see the difference between
the parties? I understand years of images and brainwashing by the BBC but everyone knows the truth

Your neo-Zionist attitude and sentiment is very much part of the problem. Of course we’re all brainwashed and only you know the truth. I’d wager the majority of people on this thread think both sides are as bad as each other, your post certainly does little to counter that impression.

 

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Google translate?

I'm not sure that suddenly being understandable is going to help.

I think he is trying to say that Israel spends money on building communities whereas Hamas siphons off money intended for the normal population to build their terror tunnels, buying weapons and generally making themselves richer instead of building schools, hospitals, investing in power plants etc.