Middle East Conflict

[tel aviv city]

Do you not realise that the brutality that the Palestinians suffer on a daily basis is causing the creation of more violence and hatred soon or later the cycle has got to stop, like it or not most of the world views Israel as the oppressor and the Palestinians as the victims

You should direct the question to the neighboring brothers from Egypt and Jordan, why don't they eliminate terrorism? Israel takes care of the citizens of Gaza for livelihood, electricity and daily functioning and this is inevitable because the hatred against us as an enemy and occupier nation is rooted in their doctrine of hatred

 

[metalblue]

Nice deflection again from my original post. Where did I say anything about an unbalanced view, I'll wait. And no need for me to grow up but thanks for your concern for my well being.

“Off you pop to your Left Wing terrorist supporting demonstrations. In fact if you support Hamas so much why don't you pop off to Gaza and set up home there.”

Some might interpret that as suggesting my views are rather one sided.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The IDF are equally Genocidal scum

If they were there would be no Palestinians in the former Palestine Protectorate.
There are 2m in Gaza and 2.75m in the West Bank ans 2m in Isreal proper - so clearly not.

 

[domalino]

No. Maybe read the nuance. What you seem to be saying is there an innate hatred of Jews within the Palestinian Muslim culture.

But the Zionist emigrants didn't just have the audacity to emigrate did they? The majority were settlers with the full intention to colonise and partition the land.

And If there is an innate hatred maybe it's not a good idea to move there in the first place?

If you read what Churchill and Lloyd George were saying around 1920, they make absolutely no bones about the fact their plan is for 3 or 4 million Jews to emigrate to Mandatory Palestine and take over the entire running of the country, marginalising the native Arabs before expanding into Trans Jordan and Egypt.

They literally spell out that the British will control Palestine until the arabs are a minority group, and then when there's a massive Jewish majority they'll hand over the country to determine its own futue, and if the Arabs don't like it, they can piss off to another arab state like Mesopotamia (Iraq), Syria, Jordan or Egypt.


Just imagine reading this about you and your people -

"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.""

And then being told that for not happily handing over all of your land and subjugating yourself to a completely foreign group of people that the british deem to be a superior race, you have an irrational and innate hatred towards them.

 

[arbabarshad]

If they were there would be no Palestinians. There are 2m in Gaza and 2.75m in the West Bank - so clearly not.

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:

1. Killing members of the group (Palestinian civilians)
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (Open prison of Gaza strip)
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (cutting fuel, power, water .. and forcing them out of their homes to migrate)
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

What is Genocide? - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Genocide as a term did not exist before 1944. Learn about its origins and legal definition.

www.ushmm.org

Perhaps you only see killing millions as genocide.

 

[Ducado]

You should direct the question to the neighboring brothers from Egypt and Jordan, why don't they eliminate terrorism? Israel takes care of the citizens of Gaza for livelihood, electricity and daily functioning and this is inevitable because the hatred against us as an enemy and occupier nation is rooted in their doctrine of hatred

For a start this a discussion forum, if you can’t see that violence and brutality are not the answers for either Israeli or Palestinians then you are indeed trapped in an unending cycle

I fear it’s going to take a lot more innocent lives to make all of you see the futility of it all

It’s heartbreaking to watch this unfold but this maybe the war that ends it all, I doubt it though

 

[metalblue]

Have you considered Hamas aren't the most reliable source of information over how many tunnels they have?

This is all very 2002. We heard endlessly about Osama bin Laden's incredible tunnel complex that would make Bond villains jealous of his lair and it turned out they were a few damp surface level caves in the mountains.

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There's a reason Hamas attacked by driving a bulldozer through a security checkpoint and not by sneaking into Israel via their secret death tunnels.

It's also particularly unbelieveable that the IDF had no idea what was going on 3 weeks ago, but now knows everything about Hamas' super secret tunnel network and can bomb it to smithereens.

TBH if they were half as good at building tunnels as Eds reckons we should have brought them in to manage HS2

 

[metalblue]

Oh bless.

We can’t all be perfect mate ;)

 

[Deleted member 77198]

No. Maybe read the nuance. What you seem to be saying is there an innate hatred of Jews within the Palestinian Muslim culture.

But the Zionist emigrants didn't just have the audacity to emigrate did they? The majority were settlers with the full intention to colonise and partition the land.

And If there is an innate hatred maybe it's not a good idea to move there in the first place?

No, I’m not saying that at all.

And it’s not as if there was all of a sudden an influx of Jews from zero into ‘Palestine’. There have always been Jews living in that region. Before the Great War there were around 100,000 Jews living there. Palestinians didn’t even have a legal status as citizens under Ottoman rule and whereas Jews did.

That’s nuance that is often missed. This wasn't exactly their land (Palestinians), never was.

Both sides need to recognise their other’s right to exist. There are too many on both sides who don’t. It goes further than Israel’s oppression of Palestinians for many on that side (which was my initial point), not an innate part of their culture, but factions that will be very hard to ever eradicate.

A start would be for Israel to not insist in being called a Jewish state. Even more moderate Fatah won’t recognise Israel if it insists on that, never mind the more extreme elements.

 

[The blue phantom]

If they were there would be no Palestinians in the former Palestine Protectorate.
There are 2m in Gaza and 2.75m in the West Bank ans 2m in Isreal proper - so clearly not.

They are doing a good job currently though. Averaging 400 Palestinians being murdered a day since October 7th. Without the numbers from under the rubble.