Middle East Conflict

mancity2012_eamo said:
It will have to involve the wider world getting involved, I would agree.
However the current actions of the present Israeli government, regardless of their ‘right to defend themselves’, is going to set back the chances of Middle East peace and any reconciliation for perhaps decades.

If the humanitarian catastrophe that we envisage from lack of food and clean water, actually happens, then they are copper fastening, the faith of not only the Palestinians, but their own nation too.

They will forever be reviled on a much wider scale worldwide if they bring on the innocent deaths of such numbers through policy choices.

Look at history. I know they have no consideration other than their own history, but let the world look and learn.

I’ll drop this here for perusal. It’s a reasonable summation although I’d probably add a tweak or two myself. A lot happened before and after.
It happened in the 1840’s to 1850’s but you could argue we are still seeing the consequences today.


Israel seem hell bent on saying we are right and we will do what we like.
There will be massive consequences.
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Someone once said the trouble is the British never remember and the Irish never forget

I think the same could be said about this conflict
 
Sorry for naivety but there has been a question on my mind for years and I'm hoping the enlightened on here can help me. I know google exists but even then I don't seem able to resolve my confusion.

Question... I keep hearing that the state of Israel never existed before the end of the second world war and a lot of todays war is about the creation and existence of Israel. Well when I did RE in junior school I kept hearing about how Israel the Jews) was at war with the Arabs, I kept hearing about the Israelites (FFS Desmond Decker even made a pop song over it) so in my mind Israel has been around since at least the birth of Christ... so how come the Arabs can object to Israel existing? Surely even they have to acknowledge that Israel has been in existence for thousands of years.... as for Palestine???/
 
Israel has been weakened and divided by internal political conflict. Netanyahu is a cancer that won’t go away. There has been no Government admission of mistakes made, or responsibility taken. As far as I’m aware no Government representative has reached out to families of those taken or killed. And then you have the ongoing conflict between the Government and IDF.

 
Ducado said:
Someone once said the trouble is the British never remember and the Irish never forget

I think the same could be said about this conflict
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I’ve no problem with not forgetting. If you don acknowledge the past you risk making the same mistakes unwillingly if not willingly.

I’m just glad I was given a chance in my generation to vote to forgive and move on.

THe Irish Republic made big concessions bearing in mind our historical claims, when it came to the GFA.

I for one voted knowing exactly what it meant and was glad to do so.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Sorry for naivety but there has been a question on my mind for years and I'm hoping the enlightened on here can help me. I know google exists but even then I don't seem able to resolve my confusion.

Question... I keep hearing that the state of Israel never existed before the end of the second world war and a lot of todays war is about the creation and existence of Israel. Well when I did RE in junior school I kept hearing about how Israel the Jews) was at war with the Arabs, I kept hearing about the Israelites (FFS Desmond Decker even made a pop song over it) so in my mind Israel has been around since at least the birth of Christ... so how come the Arabs can object to Israel existing? Surely even they have to acknowledge that Israel has been in existence for thousands of years.... as for Palestine???/
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The Jews escaped slavery in Egypt, spent 40 years in the Wilderness because they didn't believe God would give them victory over the people in the land they were told to occupy, then did force out the original population of Canaan (with a bit of genocide), then became Israel ruled by judges, then had a king (though God told them they'd regret it) and under Solomon expanded their territory. Eventually the kingdom split between Israel and Judea, the Assyrians took over Israel in 721 BC and the Babylonians took over Judea in 586 BC and the people (at least the leaders) went into Exile. The Persian king Cyrus let them return to Jerusalem and after various times of being in charge or being under foreign empires, they became a "licensed religion" under the Romans but a failed rebellion saw them (nearly all) dispersed from the area (the Diaspora), and flourishing all over the world - but faced persecution in many places leading to demands in the 19th century for somewhere for the Jews to live, either just those fleeing persecution or all Jews, either in Palestine (as the place had been known for two millennia) or somewhere else (different varieties of Zionism).
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Sorry for naivety but there has been a question on my mind for years and I'm hoping the enlightened on here can help me. I know google exists but even then I don't seem able to resolve my confusion.

Question... I keep hearing that the state of Israel never existed before the end of the second world war and a lot of todays war is about the creation and existence of Israel. Well when I did RE in junior school I kept hearing about how Israel the Jews) was at war with the Arabs, I kept hearing about the Israelites (FFS Desmond Decker even made a pop song over it) so in my mind Israel has been around since at least the birth of Christ... so how come the Arabs can object to Israel existing? Surely even they have to acknowledge that Israel has been in existence for thousands of years.... as for Palestine???/
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I'm a complete dilettante when it comes to this subject, but from what I read that particular region of the world; The Levant, was once home to the Judean peoples, so whilst the state of Israel didn't exist in body a millennia ago, it did exist as a spiritual homeland for Jews.

But, it's also a spiritual homeland for Arabs. No level of diplomacy or peace-brokering will ever resolve this sorry mess, unfortunately. The only thing that will is the End of Days.
 
blueinsa said:
They forget more Muslims die at the hands of other Muslims because they don’t share the same warped idea as the next death cult than anyone else.

No, it’s the fault of the Jews.
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And more Jews have been killed by so called Christians, where is this going?

It’s certainly not addressing the problems of the here and now, and what could be a disastrous war for the whole world

But if you want to talk about history, I can tell you that it won’t be too kind to the Americans who have the opposite to stop all this before it gets out hand, although one does get a whiff of panic from them in the realisation that they too may have walked into a trap set for them
 
Ducado said:
And more Jews have been killed by so called Christians, where is this going?
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Its going back to the poster who seems to think that this is all based on Jews killing Muslims and its their fault Hamas and co exist.

Its bullshit and needs calling out.
 
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