Middle East Conflict

[bluethrunthru]

There’s no exchange rate, there’s just people.

I agree but it doesn't come across that way

 

[bluethrunthru]

So, once the Hamas militants are destroyed, do Israel intend to feed and rehouse the remainder of the Gaza population? Or just let them survive in their walled lands? The end game is death. Or regional war. Or an assassination on their own leader. Or. Flip knows what. Too grim. Bleaker than an invasion for suspected WMDs.

Pretty sure Israeli extremists want to occupy Gaza and fill it with settlements. Not sure they mention what should happen to Palestinians though

 

[bluethrunthru]

Bleaker than an invasion for suspected WMDs.

there never were any mate - if he had them would have been easy to tether a few goats in the desert and set a small battlefield device off and tell the allies thats what awaited them. Could have also done it with the chemical weapons he was reputed to have - funny how he didn't eh?

 

[old-boys-YYF]

As someone who knows his history, you'll be aware that similar events took place on the Indian sub-continent the previous year. Tens of millions were displaced and probably a million murdered in communal violence that pitted Hindus against Muslims. Yet no one is screaming for those Pakistani Muslims of Indian descent to go back, or the Hindus who were displaced from what's now Pakistan. The Saud tribe became the rulers of Sa Arabia by wars and conquest, even up to the mid 1920's. Why is no one calling for the tribes they conquered and subdued to be given their land back? Why are the Palestinians seen as a special case among the world's refugees?

Because the United States now has an "Indo Pacific strategy"...

 

[Username Required]

This is quite wrong. The last thing the US wants is conflict with Iran,watch the geo politics

We have a large segment of the population over here that seems to be enamored of never-ending wars and then we have Christian Zionists like Ron DeSantis openly calling for the destruction of the Iranian economy.

 

[trueblue1972]

You're someone whose views I respect, even if I don't agree with them, because I know they're genuinely held and without malice. Unlike some on here, who only seem to spout bile.

We could do the tit-for-tat 'they started it' routine probably going back to the Babylonian conquest. The Zionist militias didn't start in a vacuum but as a response to Arab terror, etc, etc. The British sergeants were hung in retribution for the hanging of three Irgun members. And yes, those three were terrorists.

All the events in the awful recent history of that part of the world have a cause. Some sympathetic to the Palestinian cause blame "mass" Jewish immigration (there wasn't) iforcthoaexArab riots n the early part of the 20th century. Yet the same people, like yourself, rightly decry our government's attitude to immigration by people desperate to escape war, poverty and discrimination. So you see why I accuse people of hypocrisy. You can't claim Arab unrest in Mandatory Palestine was justified while simultaneously shouting down Braverman and the Daily Mail.

Whether there was ever a realistic alternative to partition is a debate that's been had on here and I doubt there's any disagreement that there wasn't in the circumstances. Neither side would accept any of the alternatives put forward. Of course the ideal outcome was a secular state where everyone was free to practice their religion, or none at all. Where Jews, Muslims, Christians and others worked together for their common good. But that was never going to be accepted so we ended up with partition and, at that point, no one had forced anyone out of anywhere to any significant degree.

As someone who knows his history, you'll be aware that similar events took place on the Indian sub-continent the previous year. Tens of millions were displaced and probably a million murdered in communal violence that pitted Hindus against Muslims. Yet no one is screaming for those Pakistani Muslims of Indian descent to go back, or the Hindus who were displaced from what's now Pakistan. The Saud tribe became the rulers of Sa Arabia by wars and conquest, even up to the mid 1920's. Why is no one calling for the tribes they conquered and subdued to be given their land back? Why are the Palestinians seen as a special case among the world's refugees?

Very few are even aware that, alongside the Nakba, a similar number of Jews were displaced from Arab and North African countries, where they'd had well-established communities. That was the direct result of Arab irregular militias and regular armies attacking the newly formed state of Israel. Everything today flows from that refusal to accept partition and the failed attempt to wipe out Israel. The Arab riots of 1920 and the 1936-1939 revolt, the Irgun and Lehi, the massacres at Deir Yassin and the equally brutal Hadassah Medical convoy, they're just all white noise in this sorry saga.

Problem is too many people are intrenched in their views, most with no real experience of them, to want to spend a second, trying to understand the truth

 

[old-boys-YYF]

This is quite wrong. The last thing the US wants is conflict with Iran,watch the geo politics

you are right ,because the first priority is containing China
you are wrong, because the US wants EVERYTHING.

 

[grunge]

there never were any mate - if he had them would have been easy to tether a few goats in the desert and set a small battlefield device off and tell the allies thats what awaited them. Could have also done it with the chemical weapons he was reputed to have - funny how he didn't eh?

There were never claims that Iraq had nukes. Let alone the ability to make small tactical nukes. There was a program to try to create them at one point mind you.

The chemical weapons ( and possible biological ) were the WMDs in question tho. Weapons Saddam himself said he had. Which turned out to be bluster..

The inspectors tho were accurate when they said all WMDs had been destroyed and the program to create Nukes had not been restarted.

 

[old-boys-YYF]

If the US government says "you have weapons of mass destruction", you'd better really have those weapons.

 

[city2]

The world is doomed