Middle East Conflict

[TinFoilHat]

Government minister on LBC still insisting a ceasefire is something they don't support. Staggering!

Have we checked they aren't "A friend of Israel"?

The lobby group that give MPs free holidays to Tel Aviv for truly altruistic motives....

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It's all a bit black and white, the analysis on here sometimes. Egypt doesn't want to take the Palestinians on its territory, even temporarily, obviously.

But things can change, promises made, carrots dangled, money pumped in. And just because the Egyptians and the Americans are saying publicly that it isn't a solution doesn't mean it won't be being discussed in private.

Again, I am not saying that it will happen or that it would solve anything, but I am trying to understand the Israelis' end-game here. What do you think it is? Other than the elimination of Hamas, which imho, isn't going to happen.

I'm not going down the rabbit hole of your NI analogy other than to say it's not a fair analogy.

I’m the worst in here in making comparisons, but from my point of view it’s more about the learning of lessons.There are similarities, no doubt about it, but you are correct they are not the same conflicts.

I think it’s more about learning from the conflict resolution.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Forcing the population out of Gaza would be genocide.

Once again, I think you would need to show provable intent to charge the Israelis with genocide, even if they force every last Palestinian out of Gaza. Good luck trying to show provable intent.

Forcing all the Palestinians out of Gaza permanently as a result of armed conflict could certainly be ethnic cleansing if that is their end-game, especially how they are going about it. On top of that, they are certainly committing war crimes, imo. Let's not forget Gaza is an occupied territory after all, and the Israelis have a responsibility to look after the civilians there as they do their own civilians. In theory at least.

 

[Ducado]

Once again, I think you would need to show provable intent to charge the Israelis with genocide, even if they force every last Palestinian out of Gaza. Good luck trying to show provable intent.

Forcing all the Palestinians out of Gaza permanently as a result of armed conflict could certainly be ethnic cleansing if that is their end-game, especially how they are going about it. On top of that, they are certainly committing war crimes, imo. Let's not forget Gaza is an occupied territory after all, and the Israelis have a responsibility to look after the civilians there as they do their own civilians. In theory at least.

Gaza technically is not occupied, but they have no control of their coastal areas or land borders and airspace it’s an open prison where it’s almost impossible to escape

That the west was so blind to this fact is amazing

 

[Ducado]

It's all a bit black and white, the analysis on here sometimes. Egypt doesn't want to take the Palestinians on its territory, even temporarily, obviously.

But things can change, promises made, carrots dangled, money pumped in. And just because the Egyptians and the Americans are saying publicly that it isn't a solution doesn't mean it won't be being discussed in private.

Again, I am not saying that it will happen or that it would solve anything, but I am trying to understand the Israelis' end-game here. What do you think it is? Other than the elimination of Hamas, which imho, isn't going to happen.

I'm not going down the rabbit hole of your NI analogy other than to say it's not a fair analogy.

Don’t put your money on that, it’s a red line drawn in the sand, it’s not going to happen if it did there would be coups all over the Middle East

 

[bluethrunthru]

It's all a bit black and white, the analysis on here sometimes. Egypt doesn't want to take the Palestinians on its territory, even temporarily, obviously.

But things can change, promises made, carrots dangled, money pumped in. And just because the Egyptians and the Americans are saying publicly that it isn't a solution doesn't mean it won't be being discussed in private.

Again, I am not saying that it will happen or that it would solve anything, but I am trying to understand the Israelis' end-game here. What do you think it is? Other than the elimination of Hamas, which imho, isn't going to happen.

I'm not going down the rabbit hole of your NI analogy other than to say it's not a fair analogy.

My NI reference is mere illustration to say the idea that from the relative safety we can say "oh the answer is they just move there - those next door need to take them" like thats it problem solved once again our superior intellect wins the day. We are on an island riven with hatred based around whether people should or should not come here. Just bung them a few quid that usually sorts it. For the most parts these issues around the world are the leftovers of us leaving places and fucking them up by our last deeds. There is no shortcut I know but what I also know is bombing people into seeing things your way won't work and in fact very often has the completely opposite effect to that you hoped to achieve

 

[Ducado]

I see the Russian authorities are happily allowing Jewish lynch mobs go about their business in Dagastan and elsewhere.

Only a matter of time till it happens elsewhere.

Just as an aside I know you are passionate about The Ukraine war and I tend to agree with many of your points

However in WW2 the Ukrainians killed more Jews than Palestinians have ever done, yes I understand they were occupied by the Germans but many 1000s were implicated most were never brought to justice many lived out their days in comfort

 

[robbieh]

While we are on the subject of genocide I recently discovered there used to be a country called Circassia. More or less where modern day Ukraine is. Sometime in the 19th century Russia occupied and killed more than a million of the people living there. The rest fled to Turkey.
I'd heard about the Armenian holocaust but not this.

 

[Magicpole]

All this has what to do with Israel and Hamas?

I was responding to a comment about supporting Palestinian civilians and children makes us west haters. Do keep up,

 

[mexico1970]

I was responding to a comment about supporting Palestinian civilians and children makes us west haters. Do keep up,

That isn't what you were waffling about, in fact you just ranted about the west full stop.