Middle East Conflict

[robbieh]

You can find extreme opinions from both sides if you care to look, and people posting them implying that it’s the majority opinion are a bit out of order

Does Tommy Robinson represent the opinions of the ordinary white British people?

It’s a very complex situation, Israelis (for very good reason) are very insecure people, Israel is the answer to thousands of years of persecution, the vast majority were born there to parents who were born there, in fact Israelis Jewish culture is quite distinct from much of the diaspora, in my experience some insecure people say some pretty violent and aggressive things, hurt people hurt people as they say

They are hurting the Palestinians are hurting, how can we as a world end the hurting? By encouraging more violence? By turning a blind eye? None of that had worked before I think it’s time we tried something different

I think the International arms business has a lot to answer for.
I often wonder if the private American obsession with having guns is also true of the State as a whole.

 

[Brewster's millions]

You can find extreme opinions from both sides if you care to look, and people posting them implying that it’s the majority opinion are a bit out of order

It’s essentially the same as posting a clip of Rees-Mogg or Dianne Abbott and suggesting that they’re representative of how all British people behave, or the level of numeracy across the country.

It serves no purpose other than to provide the poster with an opportunity to suggest that all Israelis are racist.

 

[robbieh]

It’s essentially the same as posting a clip of Rees-Mogg or Dianne Abbott and suggesting that they’re representative of how all British people behave, or the level of numeracy across the country.

It serves no purpose other than to provide the poster with an opportunity to suggest that all Israelis are racist.

It doesn't suggest that all Israeli's are racist. It just highlights that this MP and others in the Knesset have views as abhorrent as those of Hamas.

 

[hateutd]

School in Gaza..... Why?

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is a debate between the brilliant Norman Finklestein v Eli Lake.

Spoiler Alert - Dr Finklestein destroys the hasbara bullshiters without breaking a sweat.

Highly recommended watch:

A good watch is that - take the hysteria out of the discussion and what does he have?

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And you could equally make the argument that some who criticise Israel relentlessly really are antisemitic, and hide behind the ridiculous notion that they're not antisemitic but are really "anti-zionist".

 

[Berts Neck]

The argument is that it wasn't some thriving, well-established sovereign territory run by Arabs, which was then overrun by Jews who stuck a pin in a map. That's a fallacious argument I've debunked on here a number of times.

And it undoubtedly had been a Jewish homeland up to the 1st century BCE, with a significant number of Jews, albeit a minority, so it wasn't like it was some random choice.

But at the end of the day, what happened in 1175, 1472, 1848 or whatever other year you want to pick, is largely irrelevant. The facts on the ground are that the 1947 partition decision and the subsequent 1948 borders, plus the displacement of around 1.5 million Arabs and Jews from their homes, is the actual starting point.

The mental gymnastics of those who say partition (which offered a two-state solution) was wrong but now desperately want a two-state solution are very amusing.

A fallacious argument that you have personally debunked.Well in that case it must be true.Patronising,perhaps?
Equally what you suggest is that because it was not thriving it was fair game to be taken over ?Interesting view.
It was a pin in a map as Argentina, Uganda,even Madagascar had been suggested as options,yet you are happy to quote 1BCE in effect the Bible.Well go back a bit further to Canaan ??. The Bible is very clear that the state of Israel should only exist when the Messiah returns and some Orthodox Jews hold this belief.
The two state(in effect three state) solution was never going to work as the Israelis control all the borders and have suppressed the Arabs/Palestinians/Ottomans, whatever you may call them.
But I ask you this.5-6 million Ukrainians have lost their homes. If the UN voted to allow them to settle in Prestwich, you lost your home, forced to live in a shit hole, you would be happy ?? Come on.Would you not fight back ??
Frankly, you support a club that is run by Arabs.A club that has equally embraced Jewish people in Manchester. A club that signed Bert.
In my heart I respect you but have said it before, do not be so patronising and look at both sides here.

 

[Vic]

You can find extreme opinions from both sides if you care to look, and people posting them implying that it’s the majority opinion are a bit out of order

Does Tommy Robinson represent the opinions of the ordinary white British people?

It’s a very complex situation, Israelis (for very good reason) are very insecure people, Israel is the answer to thousands of years of persecution, the vast majority were born there to parents who were born there, in fact Israelis Jewish culture is quite distinct from much of the diaspora, in my experience some insecure people say some pretty violent and aggressive things, hurt people hurt people as they say

They are hurting the Palestinians are hurting, how can we as a world end the hurting? By encouraging more violence? By turning a blind eye? None of that had worked before I think it’s time we tried something different

Tommy Robinson isn't in the British government, advocating genocide. Netanyahu obviously does represent a large proportion of Israeli sentiment.

Maybe Hamas represents a lot of Palestinian sentiment, but no-one else seems to apart from flagwavers abroad. But, it can't be said enough, that's down to Netanyahu too.

 

[splinter]

I see an American sub now arrived in the suez canal..154 tomahawks on board. A trip to aldi after work to restock my supplies