Search my history and you won’t find me defending Israeli administration of justice in the occupied territories, but regardless of what you or I may believe is happening in that video, it doesn’t prove anything conclusively.Even if he did see people in the car, he would dispute they are Palestenians. People like these find any justification to make themselves feel better or not to feel guilty of what they are complicit in. Posters history can tell you which side of the conflict they will be on even if they didn't say a word.
Seriously. I would think they were a lot safer pre October 7th than afterwards.
I believe the 1988 one.Either you believe the Hamas charter or not.
If you believe the 1988 one then you can’t turn around and say oh no but they’re Hamas you can’t believe the 2017 one.
I keep noticing how often the same people who will tell you that random Hamas person #367 in front of a camera saying they want to wipe out all of Israel is treated as an official spokesman for the whole group, but an Israeli minister says nuke Gaza and it’s just a rogue right winger we should ignore.
I'm not doubting they scored an own goal here. I was just replying to someone saying that Israel have to keep themselves safe.Seriously. I would think they were a lot safer pre October 7th than afterwards.
Search my history and you won’t find me defending Israeli administration of justice in the occupied territories, but regardless of what you or I may believe is happening in that video, it doesn’t prove anything conclusively.
You simply cannot tell what has happened and what the context is.
That’s bothering simple fact of most the stuff we see posted from both sides of the argument.
The problem is they can’t and won’t destroy Hamas it’s an unrealistic objective, even the Americans are trying to get them to come up with something more realistic, I’m afraid it looks to the rest of the world like a vengeance mission what other excuses could there be for shelling bakeries etc?I support Israel in this, they are obviously not perfect but I do see them and their supporters as the adults in the room. To answer your question (which is far fetched), no, removing the Palestinians from their lands is not justified UNLESS it comes down to the survival of one state/country or the other. i.e. a fight to the death where both sides are so consumed by hate for each other that they are willing to fight forever. In that case I think it would be better if one of them moved (peacefully ideally). Any volunteers?
Now, assuming that the majority of both peoples are not consumed by hate and just want to get along with their lives and each other then the problem becomes how do you get rid of the extremists on both sides? Now Israel can vote Netanyahu out in their next election but the Palestinians seems unable (or unwilling) to do anything about Hamas.
I think Israel, the US and the UK have called this correctly. Nothing will change until Hamas are destroyed and my belief is that long term that will be to the benefit of both Palestinians and Israelis.
My question to you would be "How do you make Israel safe from attack whilst leaving Hamas in place?" and you have to answer that before Israel will agree to a ceasefire.
That's amazing. I suppose they had no need to discuss anything as they'd no doubt settle for 12 deaths in a decade.Between the last Gaza war in 2014 and 7/10, 12 Israelis were killed in Israel by Hamas.
For context Israelis are 100x more likely to die of diabetes than Hamas in that period and almost 50 people in Britain were killed by Islamic terrorists.
The last 10 years were for Israel as bloodless as any ongoing conflict can be.
Of course the IDF killed over 1200 Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in the same time frame. A 100:1 ratio of deaths on each side.
I don’t think Israel made any serious attempts at peace talks during that decade.
I assume it's this video