Middle East Conflict

[inchy14]

They have been told in no uncertain terms that this is line they can’t cross as much as they would like too

Who’s going to stop them? Seriously they’re doing what the fuck they want now and don’t care what the world thinks.

 

[Postman Pep]

Are Israel using citizens as human shields?

It has been known

Israel is once again using Palestinians as human shields

Once a standard Israeli military tactic, the practice was made illegal under international law in 2005. But growing evidence shows Israel is using human shields again with impunity

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Ducado]

There won’t be an exit strategy, they’ll push south, build a new border, populate the lads they’ve taken and just leave the Palestinian people in a smaller area.

Again they have been told this is not an option, I can see how you came to that conclusion but it’s wrong, there are red lines drawn by the Americans and that’s one of them

 

[BlueAnorak]

Do you realise how dangerous a precedence this sets? It was Israel who decided the best way to take out a terror organisation was to indiscriminately bomb a city, killing thousands in the process, and displacing millions. At what point is it acceptable to start holding them culpable? Once a million are dead? Once the entire city is ethnically cleansed? Or have we decided that whatever consequences this point on, no matter the human cost or scale of suffering inflicted by those in the position of power, are infinitely the fault of Hamas?

Where’s the condemnation towards Israel from little Rishi and Co. for the illegal occupation, the settler terrorism, the WB apartheid, and the suffocating Gaza blockade? Where was the appropriate condemnation and action in response to that prior to Oct 7th? Or do we just consider that to be a palatable status quo. There was practically none prior to the terror attack, not only that but they were protected and absolved from any condemnation of it. What makes you think that'll change now or after Hamas are gone?

I don't think they are indiscriminately bombing cities - they just don't care about civilians near their strikes.
As I have said previously the casualties would be much, much higher if it was indiscriminate.
But yes, it does set a horrible president - the message would be clear though - attack Israel and this will happen.
That said the Syrian Assad regieme has already set this precedent by killing over half a million of it's own citizens - and that was done indiscriminately by systematically leveling huge areas of towns and cities.

 

[trueblue1972]

Yeah of course it does if you hold racist and dehumanising views towards Palestinians.

How is this any different to anti-Semitic cartoons published during the 1930’s in Europe? You’d be having kittens if something as vile as this was posted about Jewish/Israeli folk.

Lol you have openly stated that Isreal shouldn't exist . from that point in I stopped engaging with you .
I've critised Israel a lot. im sorry if my belief that isreal and Palestine should exists offends you xx

 

[remember arthur mann]

The unbearable suffering of this poor lady and yet the humanity and humility.

 

[mexico1970]

It has been known

Israel is once again using Palestinians as human shields

Once a standard Israeli military tactic, the practice was made illegal under international law in 2005. But growing evidence shows Israel is using human shields again with impunity

www.middleeasteye.net

Whoever does it deserved doing for it.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Are Israel using citizens as human shields?

Here’s just one of many articles you can find on Israel’s use of human shields:

https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields

Now despite how ubiquitous the accusation of Hamas using human shields there is from the hasbara trolls there is actually scant evidence to corroborate it.

If the use of human shields was so wide as to cause thousands of dead Palestinian civilians, then surely there would be a reporter or an observer on the ground that could have caught a whiff of it. But reporters on the ground could find no trace of such a supposedly widespread action, Jeremy Bowen of the BBC wrote that he found no evidence of the use of human shields while he was covering the assault on Gaza in 2014. Similarly, Kim Sengupta writing for the Belfast Telegraph interviewed Palestinians in Gaza and unsurprisingly came to a similar conclusion: Hamas was not forcing anybody to be a human shield, counter to IDF claims.

But perhaps these reporters were missing something, so let’s consult an organisation which specialises in these matters. Fortunately for us, Amnesty international released a detailed report of its investigation into the matter. In their report they indicate that:

“The Israeli authorities have claimed that in a few incidents, the Hamas authorities or Palestinian fighters directed or physically coerced individual civilians in specific locations to shield combatants or military objectives. Amnesty International has not been able to corroborate the facts in any of these cases.”

So, it seems that the Israeli claims have no basis in reality, and are just a way to demonise Palestinians and legitimise their indiscriminate bombardment of civilians.

This is hardly the first time Israel has used this accusation to delegitimise their enemies. For example, in the 2006 war against Lebanon Israel accused Hezbollah of using human shields. Unsurprisingly, investigations by both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch similarly found no evidence.

The same accusations were also hurled at Palestinians during the great march of return in 2018 when Israeli snipers killed Palestinian nurse Razan Al-Najjar while she was tending to the injured. Naturally, no evidence was provided other than a clearly doctored video in an attempt to defame her.

Fortunately, these investigations into the supposed Palestinian use of human shields tend to backfire on Israel, and have historically produced a wealth of literature showing how often Israel targets civilians far removed from any combat context. Amnesty International reported that

“In the cases of precision missiles or tank shells which killed civilians in their homes, no fighters were present in the houses that were struck and Amnesty International delegates found no indication that there had been any armed confrontations or other military activity in the immediate vicinity at the time of the attack.”

This is not in error, and is in fact by design. The destruction of non-military infrastructure and incurring massive losses in civilians is a deliberate policy followed by the IDF. This policy has come to be known as the Dahiya doctrine, where it was first practiced in the Dahiya area of Beirut.

Gadi Eizenkot was quoted as saying that:

“We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, theseare not civilian villages, they are military bases.”

This is a direct admission that Israel sees civilian areas as military targets, now the only thing that remained was finding a way to justify it. This is where the human shields accusation comes in. And in the end when the war is over, the fact that no evidence is ever presented, or that various organisations exonerate the accused is forgotten, and the smears remain, and contribute to justify the same inhumane actions in any future conflagration, like we’re seeing right now.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Lol you have openly stated that Isreal shouldn't exist . from that point in I stopped engaging with you .
I've critised Israel a lot. im sorry if my belief that isreal and Palestine should exists offends you xx

LOL back atcha. Now please show me a single post where I’ve said Israel shouldn’t exist.

Do I believe how Israel was created and the subsequent 75 years of terror inflicted upon the Palestinians is wrong - hell yeah, but I also believe the only viable path for peace is a two state solution.