Middle East Conflict

Chippy_boy said:
Does that justify the killing of those civilians? Not in my book.
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Not in my book either and the US should be stamping down to bring them to heel. But for whatever reason the IDF is continuing. Perhaps they know they have unconditional support from Republicans. Who knows - I certainly don't.
I'm sure Hamas is exaggerating claims too but it is happening.
There is a problem in the IDF that needs to be resolved but Netanyahu ialsnt going to stop it. Shockingly 47% of Israeli Jews don't care either.
CORRECTION: 43%
 
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Bluemoon_420 said:
I’m not insulting you, I’m genuinely concerned about the clear signs of cognitive dissonance and sociopathic traits that you’ve shown throughout this thread.

There’s a big difference between Israel defending itself and committing outright genocide. Even in the unlikely event Israel get rid of Hamas, the atrocities they’ve committed while doing so will not be forgotten and the next iteration will be far worse. You’re just too blinkered to see that living under occupation, being dehumanised on a daily basis, and seeing your loved ones slaughtered would cause mental illness and violence in anyone. Yet you only focus only on the violent outcomes from these people. If you look at any historically oppressed peoples they'll have violently lashed out at some point.

If you can say you’d never resort to extreme violence after having your home destroyed, your entire family wiped out then you’re a fool or a liar. It's enough to cause anyone serious psychological issues. Does it excuse Hamas killing innocents, hell no, but context is critical.

Regarding the political parties in this country, these are the same mainstream parties that sanctioned the war in Iraq under false pretences, and countless other scandals… yeah real bastions of morality them!

Like me and many others have stated little Rishi and Co. have blood on their hands and fully complicit in the Israeli war crimes we see unfolding. Their moral compass is broken and so is anyone else’s that excuses the collective punishment we’re witnessing.
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I’ll use this post to update on the couple of sources I was checking out.
One is Scott Ritter and I knew he was familiar. He was an ex USMarine intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector in the region. I won’t post the rant on YouTube however as he was also a convicted sex offender and quite a controversial character.
He was however the most prominent opposer to the Iraq war on the grounds that he professed that there were no WMD’s there and there was no grounds to go in.

He was outcast but later proven right but because of his conviction he remains totally on the outside.

He is very outspoken about Israel’s true intentions over a long period of time in regards to accepting a Palestinian state, but we’ll leave him out of here all the same.

Amira Hass on the other hand seems remarkably objective and I am determined to finish her interview and seek more of her material.

From what I’ve seen she claims that she draws no distinction between Israeli women and children killed at close hand, being shot in on the ground assaults and Palestinian women and children being killed in blanket bombings from the air.
She says that the Western outrage at one form of killing as opposed to the other is as much down to the fact one slaughter is of white western looking people like us and the other is just dark skinned Arab looking people.
Make of that what you will.
She’s easily findable on YouTube if you choose to follow what she has to say. Her credentials seem flawless for expertise in this area.
 
Can anyone tell me what they think the Israeli exit strategy is? Because if they know can they let the Israelis and the world know, it would help if the right wing loons in charge would actually speak with one voice at the moment they are saying different things, perhaps it’s because they are flying blind

Get rid of Hamas, OK who will rule Gaza, Fatah? They have said no, the other Arab countries, not on your Nelly, the US and NATO absolutely no way would public opinion stand for it, so let’s say the Israelis reach their objective? Can they just withdraw and leave anarchy? The questions are mounting, the only option is to occupy the strip, but that will leave them responsible for two million people and occupation means resistance

I believe theses questions are being discussed all over the world, and in the cold light of day governments are realising that this is a huge mess and strategic error

The best hope of a way out is a comprehensive peace deal with a viable state for the Palestinians with a land link to Gaza, could the right wingers actually have given the Palestinians what they never wanted to give, because the other options are too painful to contemplate
 
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Ducado said:
Can anyone tell me what they think the Israeli exit strategy is? Because if they know can they let the Israelis and the world know, it would help if the right wing loons in charge would actually speak with one voice at the moment they are saying different things, perhaps it’s because they are flying blind

Get rid of Hamas, OK who will rule Gaza, Fatah? They have said no, the other Arab countries, not on your Nelly, the US and NATO absolutely no way would public opinion stand for it, so let’s say the Israelis reach their objective? Can they just withdraw and leave anarchy? The questions are mounting, the only option is to occupy the strip, but that will leave them responsible for two million people and occupation mean resistance

I believe theses questions are being discussed all over the world, and in the cold light of day governments are realising that this is a huge mess and strategic error

The best hope of a way out is a comprehensive peace deal with a viable state for the Palestinians with a land link to Gaza, could the right wingers actually have given the Palestinians what they never wanted to give, because the other options are too painful to contemplate
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What about the other option.
That niggling doubt that there isn’t an exit strategy and there won’t be 2 million people to cater for because they’ll be cleansed from the land and any rebuilding will be done for new settlers eventually, but will probably never happen because of the WW3 that just started.

It’s just another option.
 
Ducado said:
Can anyone tell me what they think the Israeli exit strategy is? Because if they know can they let the Israelis and the world know, it would help if the right wing loons in charge would actually speak with one voice at the moment they are saying different things, perhaps it’s because they are flying blind

Get rid of Hamas, OK who will rule Gaza, Fatah? They have said no, the other Arab countries, not on your Nelly, the US and NATO absolutely no way would public opinion stand for it, so let’s say the Israelis reach their objective? Can they just withdraw and leave anarchy? The questions are mounting, the only option is to occupy the strip, but that will leave them responsible for two million people and occupation mean resistance

I believe theses questions are being discussed all over the world, and in the cold light of day governments are realising that this is a huge mess and strategic error

The best hope of a way out is a comprehensive peace deal with a viable state for the Palestinians with a land link to Gaza, could the right wingers actually have given the Palestinians what they never wanted to give, because the other options are too painful to contemplate
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If their is true moral and political will to end this we are talking about a Dayton Agreement framework with the US/NATO as guarantors on top of a multi decade Marshall Plan commitment to Gaza and the West Bank. I don’t know how long or even if we get to that point but I hope it’s not far off….
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
What about the other option.
That niggling doubt that there isn’t an exit strategy and there won’t be 2 million people to cater for because they’ll be cleansed from the land and any rebuilding will be done for new settlers eventually, but will probably never happen because of the WW3 that just started.

It’s just another option.
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Not really, as if that's what they wanted it could have been done in 3 hours
 
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